============================================================== Guild: Antares Development Initiative Channel: Channel Archive / member-general ============================================================== [10-Dec-23 01:57 PM] Deleted User#0000 @cleavingambiguity @sidepipe I sent you both a corporation invite through PU, feel free to accept it or ignore it - mostly just for decoration. [10-Dec-23 01:58 PM] Deleted User#0000 Although in the future it could provide beneficial if we end up with a Corp HQ. [10-Dec-23 01:59 PM] Deleted User#0000 https://tenor.com/view/very-corporate-parker-posey-dr-smith-lost-in-space-corporation-gif-16230660 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/very-corporate-parker-posey-dr-smith-lost-in-space-corporation-gif-16230660 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/beYPjhD-gl5bRBVKzHIi7IuKBURYBieHbAPssCSngQU/https/media.tenor.com/RozwZl16lh0AAAAe/very-corporate-parker-posey.png [10-Dec-23 02:15 PM] Deleted User#0000 If I may interject, as a meer simpleton point of view, I don't think *this* Corp would interfere with you joining any other solely due to the fact that this is not a competitive Corp (so to speak) unlike gtu and the like, this is founded, and project admins please cite me here, this is founded on the premise of assisting players and allowing a point of meeting/common grounds to plan, get help etc. Not so much as a physical Corp that vies for the status quo, however once again that is solely my understanding and @Project Administrator can kak me out if I got something wrong [10-Dec-23 02:17 PM] Deleted User#0000 And most corps don't really require you to be in a in-game Corp, e.g. I'm in GTU but have my own Corp, that's more a hq bonus thing at this stage in the games development [10-Dec-23 02:17 PM] Deleted User#0000 And gov thing [10-Dec-23 02:17 PM] Deleted User#0000 The idea of the in-game corporation was just a matter of decoration and aesthetics, I liked the idea of having people within a corporation, there was meant to be no pressure whatsoever to join and it was just a nice to have, if that makes sense. This corporation is definitely not a competitive one, merely a assistance program for not only Antares as a whole but for new players. [10-Dec-23 02:18 PM] Deleted User#0000 Join it or not - option is there and it'll probably remain, but ultimately it is just that - decoration. ^^ [10-Dec-23 02:19 PM] Deleted User#0000 What I said in nicer English, lol [10-Dec-23 02:19 PM] Deleted User#0000 Ultimately you could take my money and run with it and I wouldn't hold it against you - as long as someone was helped somewhere down the line, I feel like a goal was accomplished, even however small. [10-Dec-23 02:20 PM] Deleted User#0000 Vir, Padre illuminate, lol [11-Dec-23 08:39 AM] Deleted User#0000 Damb being alive is pricy {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1183780029319106621/image.png?ex=6814d910&is=68138790&hm=8ea9c2b2d50a79dec13d9b0a939c138788e54467aae0e7566e67e2d8393afacb& [25-Dec-23 12:09 PM] sidepipe#0000 @Deleted User - are you still offering ship upgrades to new players? [25-Dec-23 12:09 PM] sidepipe#0000 Didnโ€™t think Iโ€™d be saying this so soon, but 500t just isnโ€™t enough anymore ๐Ÿ˜„ [25-Dec-23 03:49 PM] Deleted User#0000 Yes, it wouldn't be up otherwise, lol [25-Dec-23 03:51 PM] Deleted User#0000 I'm assuming you want the full upgrade or just a WCB? [25-Dec-23 04:08 PM] sidepipe#0000 Full upgrade. Is it still 600k? [25-Dec-23 04:08 PM] Deleted User#0000 Yep [25-Dec-23 04:09 PM] Deleted User#0000 (I'm ordering parts now so if you want I can add in for you?) [25-Dec-23 04:11 PM] sidepipe#0000 Yes please. Where are you ordering them to? Iโ€™ve got ships at ANT but I can rent a warehouse if needed. Want me to just send you a CONT for 600k? [25-Dec-23 04:11 PM] Deleted User#0000 Heph [25-Dec-23 04:11 PM] Deleted User#0000 Let me send you the BLU [25-Dec-23 04:21 PM] Deleted User#0000 BTW https://store.epicgames.com/en-US/p/the-outer-worlds-spacers-choice-edition [26-Dec-23 02:16 PM] Deleted User#0000 @sidepipe There is a large delay with SSC and LHP so depending on when the rest arrives you may have to buy it (LHP and SSC) from cx and then just put what I give you (LHP and SSC) up for sale when it arrives ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ [26-Dec-23 02:22 PM] sidepipe#0000 Sounds good! I can always save it for the second ship ๐Ÿ˜„ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [26-Dec-23 02:33 PM] Deleted User#0000 If you want I can get you another WCB? *for the second ship* [26-Dec-23 05:12 PM] sidepipe#0000 that's okay - I'm not super liquid right now. Will need to sell a few rounds of rations to buy the LHP for the first ship [26-Dec-23 06:05 PM] Deleted User#0000 I can give you back the money for it? [26-Dec-23 06:23 PM] sidepipe#0000 That's okay, I've got a bunch of stuff going to the CX in the next few days. I just meant that I wouldn't have the money to pay for the second WCB atm since I'm grabbing LHP and SSC from the CX. [28-Dec-23 11:02 AM] Deleted User#0000 Does anybody here do H2O? [05-Jan-24 04:59 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 Not on a large scale. Depends on what we do with Promitor [05-Jan-24 05:00 PM] Deleted User#0000 Yeah, well need ALOT [05-Jan-24 05:00 PM] Deleted User#0000 I really need to go, bye [05-Jan-24 05:29 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 sleep well, we can continue discussions on this tomorrow/later [06-Jan-24 03:23 PM] Deleted User#0000 Anyone hear able to help with a giant shiping project 10,000m 700t Ot-442a to MOR I know it's in mor but is going to take me forever? [08-Jan-24 07:43 AM] jvaler#0000 @Deleted User do you think ADI should be put in the recruitment channel category in UFO? [08-Jan-24 07:44 AM] Deleted User#0000 I asked someone about it a while ago but they were on vacation so didn't ever add it. [08-Jan-24 07:44 AM] Deleted User#0000 I'll probably end up asking for it eventually and writing up something for it. [08-Jan-24 07:44 AM] Deleted User#0000 There's a bit of housekeeping I need to do first though, such as re-writing and creating some embed's for information for some of the channels. [08-Jan-24 07:44 AM] Deleted User#0000 #associate-information #deleted-channel [08-Jan-24 07:45 AM] jvaler#0000 oh okay [08-Jan-24 07:45 AM] Deleted User#0000 #agp-information [08-Jan-24 07:45 AM] Deleted User#0000 Come to mind. [08-Jan-24 07:45 AM] jvaler#0000 yeah true i've been wondering what those channels were for lol [08-Jan-24 07:45 AM] Deleted User#0000 Yeah I've just been lazy over Christmas and stuff, it'll get done eventually. [08-Jan-24 08:23 AM] Deleted User#0000 I'll put in the request and I'll finally stop being lazy and do said housekeeping after work tonight. [31-Jan-24 05:10 PM] jvaler#0000 oh this is a way better corp tag i've got a new cannibalization target {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1202390369959022653/image.png?ex=6814a80b&is=6813568b&hm=a80e3e2978b8b677ec3a5a0ad2d3f59f7fe9f6deb5c9af7406c6054c008d6903& [24-Mar-24 10:34 PM] jvaler#0000 @havanista hey, is there a reason you don't read/respond to the planet chat of the planet you're currently running for governor on (LS-746b)? people have issues with what you're doing and it's kind of odd to ignore them for months and just keep running for governor. especially when others are currently running for governor to try and fix things and you're contesting their election {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [24-Mar-24 11:12 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 yeah I was a bit confused when I saw that but... {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1221673154091552898/image.png?ex=6814ef09&is=68139d89&hm=61ea103c24259d891c5a753e738687853c2dc6a19deb2c120e21bcdad3c58b9c& [24-Mar-24 11:55 PM] jvaler#0000 trying to throw as little shade as possible but this is chat https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1178857246067793980/1221661993123971122/image.png?ex=66136464&is=6600ef64&hm=36668eaf22001157246e3b2343445b3cfc9903562f273538401d1365f00e346e& {Embed} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1178857246067793980/1221661993123971122/image.png?ex=66136464&is=6600ef64&hm=36668eaf22001157246e3b2343445b3cfc9903562f273538401d1365f00e346e& https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1178857246067793980/1221661993123971122/image.png?ex=6814e4a4&is=68139324&hm=c64e0d6b5297956bcedc8039868640358cfdff83801ac6bf3da638374da20867& [25-Mar-24 12:15 AM] Deleted User#0000 Hmm. [25-Mar-24 06:06 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Yeeeaaahhh... not sure what's going on there but he's clearly not filling anything. Rog reached out to me about it too cause the planet is *super* tiny, like 3 people there and one is KAWA. Do they just... not know how gov upkeep works? [25-Mar-24 06:06 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Cause I can happily help with that [25-Mar-24 06:07 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 That's like, my whole companies thing [25-Mar-24 06:08 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I can even ship the mats in if you need them virtual [25-Mar-24 02:27 PM] havanista#0000 nothing to respond, i spended the money doing programs, and people fleeing this planet....what i can say to him [25-Mar-24 02:27 PM] havanista#0000 if he think he can do better than he will see [25-Mar-24 02:28 PM] havanista#0000 if he complains to you, then complain what to do [25-Mar-24 02:30 PM] havanista#0000 i'm not going to waste my monet more in this planet, indeed i will dismantle everything than put it worst if i'm not elected that's it [25-Mar-24 02:30 PM] havanista#0000 because first when i talked there nobody responded to me , so i did same [25-Mar-24 02:38 PM] archielvahr#0000 I mean, there's no open jobs there, so... as long as the COGC is getting filled, I'd be satisfied [25-Mar-24 02:39 PM] Deleted User#0000 Still, I think that's a pretty bad attitude to have as a governor. [25-Mar-24 02:39 PM] Deleted User#0000 I'd step away and let Rog handle it if you don't feel up to it. [25-Mar-24 02:39 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 the complaint is was just that virtual is not actually the one filling the CoGC or anything else... [25-Mar-24 02:40 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 if it's on programs that's something though. I'd just say that there's way cheaper ways to keep the population up then ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™€๏ธ [25-Mar-24 02:40 PM] havanista#0000 i did programs [25-Mar-24 02:41 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 that's fair, those are pretty expensive though compared to a few OFF, and they don't help the CoGC, that still needs to be filled [25-Mar-24 02:41 PM] havanista#0000 but that guys said befoire, there is nothing to be done in this planet, then now he suddenly compain because he put 10 dw on the CoGc lol [25-Mar-24 02:42 PM] Deleted User#0000 It is more so he's been filling the COGC fully himself. [25-Mar-24 02:42 PM] Deleted User#0000 That's not the job of the people on the planet, in reality. [25-Mar-24 02:42 PM] Deleted User#0000 And from the sounds of it his complaint was also you raising taxes as well. [25-Mar-24 02:43 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 there are people with bases and workers there though, so if you're going to run for governor then you're kind of expected to fill those needs [25-Mar-24 02:43 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 you're making tax income from people producing things, those people want the CoGC filled ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™€๏ธ [25-Mar-24 02:43 PM] havanista#0000 he said before...25/01 17:38 [STLR] roganartu people are athe happiness is low because unemployment is very high 25/01 17:39 [STLR] roganartu looking at the popr, there's honestly nothing to do for this planet [25-Mar-24 02:44 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 except CoGC though... [25-Mar-24 02:44 PM] havanista#0000 so there's nopthing to do .. [25-Mar-24 02:44 PM] Deleted User#0000 Regardless of POPI, COGC needs to be filled. [25-Mar-24 02:44 PM] havanista#0000 cocg is like 2 dw it's cheap lol, somone was puytting e=it so i don't care [25-Mar-24 02:44 PM] archielvahr#0000 COGC is definitely important [25-Mar-24 02:44 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 then why run for governor [25-Mar-24 02:45 PM] Deleted User#0000 And since that's the case.. he'd rather take over as governor instead, and his complaint was you ran against him despite seemingly not caring whatsoever for the planet. [25-Mar-24 02:45 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 you're just taking people's taxes and letting them fill stuff? [25-Mar-24 02:45 PM] havanista#0000 oh my god [25-Mar-24 02:45 PM] havanista#0000 i wait till ue stop to run program because feeding program was usless people sun away [25-Mar-24 02:46 PM] havanista#0000 fedding porp is usless becaus epoepl ue unhappy and run away too [25-Mar-24 02:46 PM] havanista#0000 and some guy was doing cocg till now so just wait that would stabilize [25-Mar-24 02:46 PM] havanista#0000 so well i dismantle the thing i have there better [25-Mar-24 02:46 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 what. so why are you running for governor? that's all I'm really confused about? [25-Mar-24 02:47 PM] havanista#0000 i was running for begining, just waiting pop get stabilized [25-Mar-24 02:47 PM] havanista#0000 then he runs cos he's the one said ther's nothign to be done [25-Mar-24 02:47 PM] havanista#0000 25/01 17:38 [STLR] roganartu people are athe happiness is low because unemployment is very high 25/01 17:39 [STLR] roganartu looking at the popr, there's honestly nothing to do for this planet <<<< as he said [25-Mar-24 02:49 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 for popi though, again the CoGC would still need filling. The point is: is you're insistent on not filling needs, but still running for governor, then you're just taking people's taxes for nothing right? if they want to fill things, let them have the taxes too [25-Mar-24 02:50 PM] havanista#0000 a settler program is 25 k... it needs 2 weeks of full taxes to be paid.... [25-Mar-24 02:51 PM] havanista#0000 do u think those taxes gives a lot per week ? [25-Mar-24 02:51 PM] havanista#0000 thre are 2 people really active thereand two more lik eme so so [25-Mar-24 02:52 PM] Deleted User#0000 I think all he was really asking is that the COGC be filled. [25-Mar-24 02:52 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 you don't need that many programs if you fill the OFF in the INF and SST, that's *way* cheaper [25-Mar-24 02:53 PM] havanista#0000 one the most active player here i invited to my corp, do u think he ever replyed to me ??? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1221909836023988224/image.png?ex=681479f6&is=68132876&hm=008ef41d8d5b1b41841103ea44f612c26ed7aefeb35273b81e4e00abba9d76c6& [25-Mar-24 02:53 PM] havanista#0000 so after some time u get bored .... [25-Mar-24 02:54 PM] havanista#0000 and upstream industry as i said no to name it was filling everything , and never talk nuthing so what to say [25-Mar-24 02:55 PM] havanista#0000 maybe one week he disn't , and that stupid guy who sa ther's nothing to be done, becvaus ehe filled 20 dw what a revolution; let him do it :)* [25-Mar-24 02:55 PM] Deleted User#0000 He definitely tried to talk to you about it, as you can see from the screenshots posted above. [25-Mar-24 02:55 PM] havanista#0000 i don't want to respond to him [25-Mar-24 02:56 PM] havanista#0000 jhe allreayd said theres is nothing to be done in this planet, that's it [25-Mar-24 02:56 PM] Deleted User#0000 He said he was filling the CoGC before you even took governor though. [25-Mar-24 02:56 PM] Deleted User#0000 4 months worth of it. [25-Mar-24 02:56 PM] Deleted User#0000 And stopped after you took governor, since, y'know, that'd be your responsability. [25-Mar-24 02:56 PM] Deleted User#0000 He even tried to talk to you about feeding it as well. [25-Mar-24 02:57 PM] Deleted User#0000 So it seems like you've just kinda threw every bit of reasoning away. [25-Mar-24 02:57 PM] havanista#0000 well if u are not happy with me you can fire me here too [25-Mar-24 02:57 PM] havanista#0000 i don't want to argue more [25-Mar-24 02:58 PM] Deleted User#0000 I just think you shouldn't run for gov there again, that's all. [25-Mar-24 02:58 PM] Deleted User#0000 It seems like it'd be in the interest of those still there. [25-Mar-24 02:58 PM] havanista#0000 well i m moving all my ships there now, and dismantle from that planet , so that's it [25-Mar-24 02:59 PM] havanista#0000 i was runninng there, before he did, i did not remove because id di'nt even notice he was running till late [25-Mar-24 03:00 PM] havanista#0000 voila i removed the run for governor there.... [25-Mar-24 03:01 PM] havanista#0000 gonna move somewhere else [25-Mar-24 03:01 PM] Deleted User#0000 Glad we came to.. some kind of resolution.. I guess. [25-Mar-24 03:18 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 yeah, I don't think anyone was trying to argue, just understand the situation. Filling CoGC is just kind of what a governor is supposed to do, so when you took over that's what people expected. If you don't want to be a governor though that's fine, nobody is trying to kick you off of the planet completely though, they just want the tax money for filling CoGC instead of running programs ยฏ\_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ no worries [25-Mar-24 05:01 PM] havanista#0000 but they succedeed, i allready dismantled everything {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™€๏ธ [14-Apr-24 01:01 PM] darkgineer#0000 Hello, fellow CEOs! I'm desperate for good guides on PrUn and HowTos. Can you point me to some? I've completed tutorial stuff and now extracting ALO on Deimos. [14-Apr-24 06:24 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 Are you familiar with the tool prunplaner? [14-Apr-24 06:25 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 What do you want to manufacture as well? Etc etc. ๐Ÿ˜… [14-Apr-24 06:26 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 https://prunplanner.org Should be the link, but I'm having network issues with the site. So they may be down or it's just me. But for future reference. [14-Apr-24 07:36 PM] darkgineer#0000 Yeah, I've already setup prunplanner along with an FIO. I have a base on Deimos with two EXT (ALO) and one SME (AL). [14-Apr-24 07:38 PM] darkgineer#0000 No, it's down for everyone ๐Ÿ™‚ [14-Apr-24 07:41 PM] jvaler#0000 https://discord.com/channels/350171287785701388/350171288267915277/1229227558583668848 [14-Apr-24 07:41 PM] jvaler#0000 prunplanner dev response ^ [14-Apr-24 07:41 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 I may reach out for your goods at some point, I use AL for prefabs on Nike. [14-Apr-24 07:41 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 I still have my carbon on Promitor though... [14-Apr-24 07:42 PM] darkgineer#0000 IDK, but I'm getting timeouts and stuff through all my proxies. [14-Apr-24 07:43 PM] jvaler#0000 mhm [14-Apr-24 07:58 PM] darkgineer#0000 Oh, it's came back online. [14-Apr-24 08:09 PM] cdgwaddell#0000 Sweet, i can run my stuff and see what I need to produce. Unless one of you needs a particular prefab [15-Apr-24 02:26 PM] darkgineer#0000 Is it acceptable and/or common to post "looking to buy"-requests here (or in #member-trading || #trading) [15-Apr-24 03:13 PM] jvaler#0000 it's not common, but totally acceptable. note you'll get better visibity in #trading over #member-trading [15-Apr-24 03:14 PM] jvaler#0000 actually i take that back it's somewhat common [15-Apr-24 04:22 PM] Deleted User#0000 Yeah there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. [15-Apr-24 04:22 PM] Deleted User#0000 In fact it is encouraged. [27-May-24 01:46 PM] akyantor#0000 Is there any benefit to having the planet roles assigned on the server? *I see some folks have them assigned, but wondered if it mattered or not. It may be informational.* [27-May-24 01:46 PM] flor2081#0000 nope, just helps other people identify on which popular planets you're based [27-May-24 01:47 PM] flor2081#0000 gave you the roles ๐Ÿ‘ [27-May-24 01:47 PM] jvaler#0000 i don't really like them though cause they don't cover a lot of planets. kinda pointless if you need to open a CO buffer anyways [27-May-24 01:47 PM] flor2081#0000 yeah true [27-May-24 01:48 PM] akyantor#0000 Yeah, would tend to agree, unless it was setup so folks could maintain them themselves, to avoid them getting out of date. [27-May-24 01:49 PM] akyantor#0000 That said, easy enough to check in game. [27-May-24 01:49 PM] jvaler#0000 that'd involve bots so i doubt it'll happen [27-May-24 01:50 PM] tanda#0000 honestly at that point, just use the UFO discord {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [27-May-24 01:50 PM] flor2081#0000 GTU has a pretty easy-to-use thing like that [27-May-24 01:50 PM] flor2081#0000 it's easy if you need something at a planet you can just tag the role [27-May-24 01:52 PM] akyantor#0000 Is the AGP role for folks who've received funding, or for folks providing funding? [27-May-24 01:53 PM] flor2081#0000 recieved i think [27-May-24 01:56 PM] jvaler#0000 both, cause i have the role [27-May-24 02:02 PM] evany.#0000 i think its just used for the #agp channels [27-May-24 02:03 PM] akyantor#0000 Ah, that'd explain why I can't post in some of those channels. Not that I've had need to. [27-May-24 02:04 PM] evany.#0000 yeah that would be why. i can post in both not that i did anything special to receive the role {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [27-May-24 02:11 PM] flor2081#0000 I just gave myself the role so I could talk in that channel haha {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [27-May-24 02:17 PM] jvaler#0000 you recieved a grant ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™€๏ธ [27-May-24 02:18 PM] evany.#0000 i did yeah! [27-May-24 02:19 PM] evany.#0000 fairly confident i got the role long before that though [27-May-24 02:24 PM] akyantor#0000 I think it's mixed. I haven't the role, and looking back some, have some haven't, based upon the names in grant posts in #agp-information, which is why I wondered. [27-May-24 02:26 PM] akyantor#0000 Would like to build up enough that I could give grants in the future. I suspect that'll take months. [27-May-24 02:29 PM] tanda#0000 I'm almost there, but I like expanding too much [27-May-24 02:59 PM] akyantor#0000 I can see the temptation [27-May-24 03:26 PM] jvaler#0000 well you needed the role to talk in the channel, so as long as you were planned to recieve a grant you had the role. basically just means AGP participants [27-May-24 05:55 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah I can see it but no talking there for me ๐Ÿ˜‚ [27-May-24 08:30 PM] jvaler#0000 did you ever get a grant? i can role you [27-May-24 08:57 PM] .urpalhal#0000 No I never got one. I had already a base and a half with a WCB in the works [27-May-24 08:57 PM] jvaler#0000 oh okay [27-May-24 08:58 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh yeah sorry that was when I joined if that wasnโ€™t obvious [27-May-24 08:58 PM] jvaler#0000 right right [27-May-24 08:58 PM] .urpalhal#0000 You can role me if you want to tho [27-May-24 08:58 PM] jvaler#0000 well do u plan on helping fund future grants? ๐Ÿ‘€ [27-May-24 08:59 PM] .urpalhal#0000 [27-May-24 08:59 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Ofc [27-May-24 08:59 PM] jvaler#0000 wonderful [27-May-24 08:59 PM] jvaler#0000 ๐Ÿ˜Œ [27-May-24 08:59 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Just need to ๐Ÿ“ˆ a bit first [27-May-24 09:00 PM] jvaler#0000 100% [27-May-24 09:00 PM] jvaler#0000 you're a bit small atm, worried about u spending it all on others [27-May-24 09:00 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Maybe pay off the HAL loan first [27-May-24 09:02 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™m getting there tho [27-May-24 09:03 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™ve got 6 bases rn [27-May-24 09:19 PM] sidepipe#0000 You'll have plenty of money for grants once you become big HAL ๐Ÿ˜„ [27-May-24 09:20 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh yeah that base will make stupid money [27-May-24 09:23 PM] sidepipe#0000 Is the first half up and running? [27-May-24 09:23 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Kinda [27-May-24 09:23 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Just needs food thatโ€™s on the way [27-May-24 09:24 PM] sidepipe#0000 Nice ๐Ÿ™‚ [27-May-24 09:24 PM] sidepipe#0000 Just curious, I'm trying to figure out if it's worth repairing this or not {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1244838670544928800/image.png?ex=6814d59b&is=6813841b&hm=beb0a2fce05ff111e265737d1aad9b63167ddd2a85c983023ceaa3cc3811d6e9& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [27-May-24 09:24 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Actually might be there but mobile prun is not fun so [27-May-24 09:25 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh just 30 more minutes {Reactions} ๐Ÿ™Œ [27-May-24 09:31 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I think itโ€™s 14 EXT atm [27-May-24 09:32 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Soon to be 30 [27-May-24 09:33 PM] jvaler#0000 wait what [27-May-24 09:33 PM] jvaler#0000 oh god you're doing the triple permit [27-May-24 09:33 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Shhh ๐Ÿคซ [27-May-24 09:33 PM] jvaler#0000 i forgor [27-May-24 09:33 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I never said I wasnโ€™t ๐Ÿ˜ [27-May-24 09:34 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Just need some POW for my permits [27-May-24 09:36 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™m also considering getting the star supporter package so I can name YK-005d [27-May-24 10:07 PM] .urpalhal#0000 it is extracting HAL now [27-May-24 10:08 PM] .urpalhal#0000 first 108 will be made tomorrow morning [27-May-24 10:36 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I actually might be able to get the whole base up before the next POPR on the 30th [27-May-24 11:01 PM] jvaler#0000 i'm contacting the antares development manager [27-May-24 11:01 PM] jvaler#0000 watch your back [28-May-24 12:25 AM] .urpalhal#0000 i better! or my accounts will be frozen and company seized ๐Ÿ™ƒ [28-May-24 01:31 AM] akyantor#0000 Would you mind giving me the role too? I received a grant from Archiel [28-May-24 01:36 AM] flor2081#0000 Done ๐Ÿ‘ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [28-May-24 07:52 AM] Deleted User#0000 Merely as a demonstration of where people are. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [28-May-24 07:53 AM] Deleted User#0000 It worked well when we had only a few people here and there wasn't much upkeep, but as expansion happened there became very little upkeep on it and it went out of service pretty much. [28-May-24 07:53 AM] Deleted User#0000 The idea was people could request to either have their role created or to be given to them, it'd be fact checked and then applied. [28-May-24 07:54 AM] Deleted User#0000 Could've been integrated into the shipping program but that never really came to be, so otherwise they are decorative at best. [28-May-24 07:54 AM] Deleted User#0000 When I made this server I had no idea it'd reach the scale it did, and so most of the layout is from a perception of few people. [28-May-24 07:55 AM] Deleted User#0000 AGP role is for anyone who has either received funding, provides funding, or is in the process of receiving funds in the near future, E.G a new person to the server. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [28-May-24 07:56 AM] Deleted User#0000 Pretty much every Project Member should have it and almost no Associates should. [28-May-24 07:57 AM] Deleted User#0000 As for this, that'll be because the sheet for AGP is no longer maintained and we opted for just posting it in the info channel instead. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [28-May-24 07:57 AM] Deleted User#0000 Whoever is doing the funding should ideally check to ensure each member had the AGP role to give them it if not, but ultimately it doesn't change *that* much, just organisational benefits. [28-May-24 07:59 AM] Deleted User#0000 Looking back I realise some of this had been clarified already by the lovely coordinators but I just thought I'd clarify it from my standpoint as well. [28-May-24 08:10 AM] jvaler#0000 well i couldn't speak on the status of the AGP sheet so ty [28-May-24 05:00 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Everything I need to do two HQ upgrades :evil_laugh49: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1245134647105425479/Screenshot_2024-05-28_155937.png?ex=681497c1&is=68134641&hm=772690ed4fcfd823ac768bf9e3b784260dfc547098601ed110ab2c2f4b1f49e3& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ”ฅ [28-May-24 05:00 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Big HAL here we go! [28-May-24 05:05 PM] akyantor#0000 Nice [28-May-24 05:07 PM] akyantor#0000 Have you picked new planets to expand to? Or more permits for existing bases? [28-May-24 05:08 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Uhm [28-May-24 05:08 PM] jvaler#0000 ๐Ÿ˜‘ [28-May-24 05:09 PM] .urpalhal#0000 [This](https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1183249320665956372/1244840902095142925) {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [28-May-24 05:09 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ฌ [28-May-24 05:09 PM] jvaler#0000 smh [28-May-24 05:09 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I think imma name the planet too [28-May-24 05:09 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Halogencia or something idk [28-May-24 05:10 PM] jvaler#0000 really? okay i'm no longer judgemental [28-May-24 05:10 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Hal mines HAL on Halogencia [28-May-24 05:10 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh am the governor there too [28-May-24 05:10 PM] jvaler#0000 i wouldn't be able to stop myself from pronouncing that "halogenecia" [28-May-24 05:11 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Idk maybe I could just HAL land [28-May-24 05:11 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Or HALland [28-May-24 05:11 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Not to be confused with the football player [28-May-24 05:12 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Or just HAL [28-May-24 05:12 PM] jvaler#0000 __hal__cyon? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1245137710570541096/image.png?ex=68149a9b&is=6813491b&hm=6554be54e454b068b771192d36e32a14f76a2aa0831fd296901911429376f186& [28-May-24 05:12 PM] jvaler#0000 idk [28-May-24 05:12 PM] jvaler#0000 first thing that comes to mind [28-May-24 05:12 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Ooh thatโ€™s good [28-May-24 05:13 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Ok lemme go swipe my CC real quick [28-May-24 05:13 PM] jvaler#0000 feels thematic with "nascent"... somehow [28-May-24 05:13 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿ˜‚ [28-May-24 05:13 PM] jvaler#0000 similarly grandiose maybe? [28-May-24 05:13 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Maybe [28-May-24 05:13 PM] .urpalhal#0000 And has Hal [28-May-24 05:14 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Most importantly [28-May-24 05:14 PM] jvaler#0000 real and true [28-May-24 05:14 PM] jvaler#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ญ [28-May-24 05:14 PM] akyantor#0000 A+ plan [28-May-24 05:14 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Itโ€™s just what 150โ‚ฌ [28-May-24 05:14 PM] .urpalhal#0000 nbd [28-May-24 05:14 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Worth [28-May-24 05:14 PM] jvaler#0000 oh i was thinking of the system name one [28-May-24 05:14 PM] jvaler#0000 that's not *as* bad [28-May-24 05:15 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh yeah [28-May-24 05:15 PM] .urpalhal#0000 That one is like 1000โ‚ฌ? [28-May-24 05:15 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Something obscene [28-May-24 05:15 PM] jvaler#0000 iirc ~400? [28-May-24 05:15 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ [28-May-24 05:15 PM] .urpalhal#0000 More than Iโ€™d pay [28-May-24 05:15 PM] jvaler#0000 299* {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1245138473787195393/image.png?ex=68149b51&is=681349d1&hm=0c6d3c604039baebe63237bc0273d2a89b421916476e549722b1ee324ad95a7a& [28-May-24 05:16 PM] akyantor#0000 You do get a cool one character company code ๐Ÿ˜‚ [28-May-24 05:16 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah wife might kill for that {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜จ (2) [28-May-24 05:16 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Meh [28-May-24 05:16 PM] .urpalhal#0000 169โ‚ฌ is fine tho [28-May-24 05:17 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Itโ€™s just a days worth of work [28-May-24 05:18 PM] jvaler#0000 mmmm 2 letter company tho... KC (real) {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1245139089720869005/crest_ko_combine.png?ex=68149be4&is=68134a64&hm=e3f833d19ff7f3cdad559ea743350c5863b5029d1edd87dfda5344bc84fcda2c& [28-May-24 05:18 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Do it [28-May-24 05:18 PM] jvaler#0000 what 2 are u gonna choose? [28-May-24 05:18 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Only 60โ‚ฌ [28-May-24 05:18 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Me? [28-May-24 05:18 PM] sidepipe#0000 HAL ๐Ÿ˜› [28-May-24 05:18 PM] jvaler#0000 nah planet name or bust [28-May-24 05:18 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Haha [28-May-24 05:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 [28-May-24 05:19 PM] jvaler#0000 yeah, comes with star package [28-May-24 05:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Uhhh [28-May-24 05:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 FM? [28-May-24 05:19 PM] jvaler#0000 makes sense [28-May-24 05:20 PM] jvaler#0000 already taken but it's pretty good lmfao {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1245139602457493578/image.png?ex=68149c5e&is=68134ade&hm=06f82a81fbc6934017debef73eceb7bce67f5b69786f324ebb48313644bf74cb& [28-May-24 05:20 PM] jvaler#0000 awww they're inactive [28-May-24 05:20 PM] jvaler#0000 YK-005 resident tho [28-May-24 05:20 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I could go back to what I was [28-May-24 05:20 PM] .urpalhal#0000 HALM [28-May-24 05:21 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Hal mining [28-May-24 05:22 PM] jvaler#0000 Hal98 of HAL Mining, governor of Halcyon [28-May-24 05:22 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Biggest supplier of HAL [28-May-24 05:22 PM] jvaler#0000 i love it [28-May-24 05:22 PM] jvaler#0000 does a triple permit actually get you #1? [28-May-24 05:22 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah [28-May-24 05:22 PM] .urpalhal#0000 After 5 experts [28-May-24 05:23 PM] jvaler#0000 mm funny. reminds me of that person with the triple permit on cortez mining AUO ๐Ÿ˜ญ [28-May-24 05:23 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿ˜‚ [28-May-24 05:23 PM] jvaler#0000 puts them high on LEAD [28-May-24 05:24 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Imma go so broke doing repairs on that base tho [28-May-24 05:25 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Just to build it was 10,000 INS {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜จ (2) [28-May-24 05:25 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Which I did get [28-May-24 05:26 PM] jvaler#0000 that's horrifying [28-May-24 05:26 PM] .urpalhal#0000 3 STO 30 EXT and 18 HB1 I think [28-May-24 05:27 PM] jvaler#0000 oh damn yeah guess that makes sense. never realized it was 5k for 500 area {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1245141391424618496/image.png?ex=68149e09&is=68134c89&hm=859a597e44cbffb306c3b0e6193b9695ed6e05609c825f24634fb55ca6be609e& [28-May-24 05:27 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Wow [28-May-24 05:27 PM] .urpalhal#0000 And I am using all 1000 [28-May-24 05:28 PM] sidepipe#0000 Good thing I make INS ๐Ÿ˜„ [28-May-24 05:29 PM] sidepipe#0000 ~700 per day, so we should be able to keep you repaired [28-May-24 05:29 PM] .urpalhal#0000 :givelove: [28-May-24 05:29 PM] sidepipe#0000 I can also pass off some of my mats to you, Iโ€™m planning on winding down my HAL base there [28-May-24 05:31 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Up to you [28-May-24 05:54 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I've also got INS if you ever need more, I'll match whatever lowes ADI price is if they run out {Reactions} โค๏ธ [28-May-24 05:59 PM] igfloz#0000 All hail the king ๐Ÿ˜„ gratz @jvaler [28-May-24 06:00 PM] jvaler#0000 this seat sure is comfy [28-May-24 06:00 PM] .urpalhal#0000 [28-May-24 06:00 PM] .urpalhal#0000 The red looks good [28-May-24 06:01 PM] jvaler#0000 ooh yeah almost matches my pfp [28-May-24 06:01 PM] jvaler#0000 i could change it if i wanted actually ๐Ÿง [28-May-24 06:01 PM] .urpalhal#0000 You could change that [28-May-24 06:01 PM] jvaler#0000 yea yea [28-May-24 06:01 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ [28-May-24 06:01 PM] jvaler#0000 first order of business i think though should be sorting out these unroled members ๐Ÿง [28-May-24 06:02 PM] igfloz#0000 dammit lads, ya know there's gonna be a spotlight on us ALL now !? [28-May-24 06:33 PM] jvaler#0000 here lies [CULT] ๐Ÿชฆ ๐Ÿ˜” {Reactions} crying [28-May-24 06:33 PM] jvaler#0000 fun while it lasted [28-May-24 06:46 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 why's it ded? [28-May-24 06:47 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 maybe you could just use this discord for the projects you were working on and still use CULT as an optional in-game corp for people here ยฏ\_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ [28-May-24 06:47 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Fair point [28-May-24 06:47 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I'm yellow now... [28-May-24 06:48 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 was I demoted? [28-May-24 06:48 PM] .urpalhal#0000 No [28-May-24 06:48 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 lol [28-May-24 06:48 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Promoted to yellow [28-May-24 06:48 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 oh! ๐Ÿ˜‚ promoted indeed it seems [28-May-24 06:48 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 my apologies for being ungrateful overlord Jvaler [28-May-24 06:49 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Now you can be yellow fin tuna [28-May-24 06:49 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 that's AHI [28-May-24 06:49 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 they were the corp that helped found KAWA [28-May-24 06:49 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I know ๐Ÿฅบ {Reactions} ๐ŸŸ (2) [28-May-24 06:49 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Thatโ€™s why itโ€™s funny [28-May-24 06:49 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 ๐Ÿ˜… [28-May-24 06:50 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I'm feeling a bit sick today and my brain is not entirely present, lol [28-May-24 06:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Nah I have dumb jokes [28-May-24 06:50 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 but I appreciate dumb jokes [28-May-24 06:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 :7774_GengarAww: {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’š [28-May-24 07:06 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 what if instead of 'members' and 'associates' in the server we distinguished the 2 more clearly with CULT. Like, this is a group for anyone in the Antares region to come and get help, but the people who are more committed to this organization specifically and are part of the in-game corp get the CULT channels for planning and coordinating more serious bigger picture stuff [28-May-24 07:06 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 idk, I'm just throwing out ideas [28-May-24 07:07 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I really want to see CULT become something for those of you who started here in ADI and have really done some amazing stuff. Some have joined other corps but for those of you that want to strike out and do your own thing I'm here to support that [28-May-24 07:08 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 is that PG project you're doing part of CULT, or just a general project? [28-May-24 07:08 PM] jvaler#0000 the server was run by australis and got deleted when they left ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™€๏ธ it was dead in the water without them anyways [28-May-24 07:10 PM] jvaler#0000 i felt like CULT was just becoming KAWA Antares Editionยฉ๏ธ with the internal market and vertical integration stuff. i'm personally not too interested in reviving it, but if others are i'm happy to make accomodations [28-May-24 07:11 PM] jvaler#0000 that's separate from CULT [28-May-24 07:14 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 fair, but I think the separate server wasn't really working out anyway. I think you all met and started working together here, so you just kept doing that and the other server was forgotten. I think that making CULT somehow tied to ADI would almost make more sense and give it more purpose, so that it doesn't just become about the internal market stuff. Even if it's as simple as building a corp HQ somewhere and opening up the corp for anyone to join to get the bonus ยฏ\_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ [28-May-24 07:14 PM] jvaler#0000 once activity in the server stopped it didn't resume over here. it just fizzled out altogether cause there weren't concrete plans, just preparations for plans [28-May-24 07:15 PM] jvaler#0000 ooh HQ plan, that'd be interesting [28-May-24 07:15 PM] jvaler#0000 who knows where though [28-May-24 07:16 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 anywhere that isn't a starting planet [28-May-24 07:16 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Nike? is that a starter? [28-May-24 07:16 PM] jvaler#0000 i mean where would be the best place for it ๐Ÿง [28-May-24 07:16 PM] sidepipe#0000 there could be a place for an [ADI] corp for folks who haven't joined one yet [28-May-24 07:16 PM] jvaler#0000 it is not, has a red bar [28-May-24 07:16 PM] sidepipe#0000 Nike is a pretty good spot. Having the bonus for construction is really nice [28-May-24 07:17 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 and it's a classic first expansion for Antares new players [28-May-24 07:17 PM] jvaler#0000 real and true [28-May-24 07:17 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 and if the goal is to benefit Antares development, that would make sense [28-May-24 07:17 PM] jvaler#0000 i like the ADI corp tag but i don't wanna lose my catalytic core [CORE] tag ๐Ÿ˜ญ [28-May-24 07:18 PM] sidepipe#0000 is CORE just you? you can make it the CORE of antares ๐Ÿ˜„ [28-May-24 07:18 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 would be pretty funny seeing chat suddenly filled with [CULT] tags, lol [28-May-24 07:18 PM] jvaler#0000 yeah CORE is just me running hermes. population 1(+1 corpse) [28-May-24 07:18 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 do you have an HQ? [28-May-24 07:18 PM] sidepipe#0000 every corp has one (corpse, not HQ) [28-May-24 07:19 PM] jvaler#0000 not yet no. i've got the rfabs for it sitting at ANT, but i've been too indecisive to make a move [28-May-24 07:19 PM] jvaler#0000 oh and i just realized an HQ on nike doesn't really benefit me cause my nike is in DNPC ๐Ÿ˜” [28-May-24 07:19 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 bigger split? ๐Ÿ˜† [28-May-24 07:20 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I would argue your case [28-May-24 07:20 PM] jvaler#0000 don't think the sheet accounts for stuff like that [28-May-24 07:21 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I think it *could* pretty easily though. [28-May-24 07:21 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 nobody seems to want to take over as coordinator, you just take over and increase your split by 10%, lol [28-May-24 07:21 PM] jvaler#0000 yeah probably... though splits are still based on permits and not efficiency factor anyways so [28-May-24 07:21 PM] jvaler#0000 oh no no no lmao. i just adopted a server, i'm not doing that [28-May-24 07:21 PM] jvaler#0000 lmfao [28-May-24 07:22 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 they're based on the assumption of 5 experts and both lux so efficiency is factored in somewhere [28-May-24 07:22 PM] jvaler#0000 efficiency in material calculations yeah, but not in split payout [28-May-24 07:22 PM] jvaler#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1245170384366473216/image.png?ex=6814b909&is=68136789&hm=3358b906363ec003bd1a0d3314609d0b8237fb1797b41f2666df9d262df1f5c8& [28-May-24 07:24 PM] jvaler#0000 split weights are done by permits + running costs [28-May-24 07:24 PM] jvaler#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1245170938916507678/image.png?ex=6814b98d&is=6813680d&hm=298113d3137278913f39298e7326e41f41ab02eaa029bbfd7986d3d3ced93d41& [28-May-24 07:26 PM] jvaler#0000 so since construction costs aren't a factor and the HQ has no repairs, idk how it'd be factored in(or why ๐Ÿ˜ฌ) [28-May-24 07:33 PM] jvaler#0000 sorry i think i'm being kinda argumentative [28-May-24 07:33 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I was digging into the math on the sheet a while back and I feel like it would definitely be possible, and definitely *should* be possible. It even reduces split based on the amount of material actually being *used* by the project, so I'm only getting a split for like 18 of my 20 SME. If it can factor that in I think it could easily factor in a 10% increase in fab production (and at the same time also increase use AL so *we* would get a bigger split too...) [28-May-24 07:33 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 no! you're good! I didn't read it that way at all [28-May-24 07:35 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 either way, if we decide to do this and start a free corp for a bonus somewhere (Nike or Vulcan maybe?), then I can contribute the materials. I've been sitting on all the mats for months trying to decide where to build my own ๐Ÿ˜† Obviously I don't need my own private vila that bad and I'd rather it benefit more people than just me [28-May-24 07:35 PM] jvaler#0000 wait what? i don't see where material output is factored into split % [28-May-24 07:35 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 it might not be, it's been a while and I'm probably misremembering. Let me look again [28-May-24 07:36 PM] jvaler#0000 ooh vulcan i'm totally down for. gives me more wiggle room for my STL prod [28-May-24 07:37 PM] jvaler#0000 or i can start up TI prod for rise again just a little bit [28-May-24 07:37 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 also helps counter the expensive build cost there for newer players [28-May-24 07:38 PM] jvaler#0000 oh yeah HSE ๐Ÿ˜ญ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [28-May-24 07:38 PM] jvaler#0000 maybe we could get ship plating set up there or something [28-May-24 07:39 PM] jvaler#0000 cause FE/STL demand can't be *that* high [28-May-24 07:39 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 in Antares? FE is pretty decent money... [28-May-24 07:40 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 for a while sending FE from Moria to Antares was almost as profitable as sending AL from Antares to Moria, the weight just made it not worth it. [28-May-24 07:41 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 but yeah, hull plates are also great [28-May-24 07:41 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 might be even better with the upcoming changes too [28-May-24 07:41 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Nascent ALO to Vulcan AL is a good combo with Deimos full though [28-May-24 07:42 PM] jvaler#0000 oh huh, more traded/d than i thought {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1245175280323268698/image.png?ex=6814bd99&is=68136c19&hm=430a11e73c5b60f47f6188f23e5e9cee7875eadb541d793b8e5063a79bb92db5& [28-May-24 07:42 PM] jvaler#0000 ๐Ÿง  i had never even thought of that lmfao [28-May-24 07:42 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 that's what KAWA is having to do now that Deimos is full to make LHP and other AL stuff [28-May-24 07:43 PM] jvaler#0000 but yeah antares basically has 2 deimos-es... but one has resource extraction so it's even more [28-May-24 07:44 PM] jvaler#0000 shouldn't have been born a bentenite smh [28-May-24 07:44 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™ve been thinking about making another SME base on Vulcan [28-May-24 07:45 PM] .urpalhal#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1245176231704395877/Screenshot_2024-05-28_184539.png?ex=6814be7b&is=68136cfb&hm=63077305a68d27f0fa7b16e9df1ba38e3e4ba8253549ea2259d58c24c42eef33& [28-May-24 07:47 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 excuse me ๐Ÿ˜ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1245176750342799410/image.png?ex=6814bef7&is=68136d77&hm=cb5318a7533e7288508ecb078b529416b6737448d3b1013429af738bd021aaae& [28-May-24 07:48 PM] jvaler#0000 you're "one of the good ones" {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ [28-May-24 07:48 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I'm out here spreading the good word of Antares to all of Castilo Ito like a Texan spouting Texas propaganda [28-May-24 07:48 PM] jvaler#0000 lmfao [28-May-24 07:49 PM] .urpalhal#0000 also {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1245177271892054116/Screenshot_2024-05-28_184926.png?ex=6814bf73&is=68136df3&hm=ff9e6c56907f760beb3c8b27db79b89149a3a961a64bac9748c8872ad85cceed& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1245177272311218196/Screenshot_2024-05-28_184946.png?ex=6814bf73&is=68136df3&hm=8a44eb3f2791d0ddbc07ed73cc63c5ac064a1aec8236c6cb9eaaea54383d7432& [28-May-24 07:51 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Should I do it? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1245177604038987896/Screenshot_2024-05-28_185103.png?ex=6814bfc3&is=68136e43&hm=7c0046bd599c72b90a47f74a7026cf59cb70cd58f56ad937cba471160488fc5a& [28-May-24 07:51 PM] jvaler#0000 i approve [28-May-24 07:51 PM] jvaler#0000 and that's all that should matter :P [28-May-24 07:51 PM] jvaler#0000 jk [28-May-24 07:51 PM] .urpalhal#0000 well you did come up with the name [28-May-24 07:52 PM] .urpalhal#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1245177809807216692/Screenshot_2024-05-28_185158.png?ex=6814bff4&is=68136e74&hm=0e94daca483b4e0e2c7096ad320c7f4ae0e91a4ca8780a68abcda20284feb664& [28-May-24 07:52 PM] jvaler#0000 WOO [28-May-24 07:52 PM] jvaler#0000 ๐Ÿ™Œ [28-May-24 07:52 PM] jvaler#0000 it's beautiful [28-May-24 07:52 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I love it [28-May-24 07:52 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿ™Œ๐Ÿป [28-May-24 07:52 PM] jvaler#0000 i'm telling AA [28-May-24 07:56 PM] jvaler#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1245178917397205112/image.png?ex=6814c0fc&is=68136f7c&hm=5667d45ebcdc5362adccf19abea0dfd42b29f992c1474dba0baeb049f34fffcc& [28-May-24 07:56 PM] .urpalhal#0000 lol [28-May-24 07:56 PM] .urpalhal#0000 where's that at? [28-May-24 07:56 PM] jvaler#0000 aluminum alliance [28-May-24 07:57 PM] jvaler#0000 that's where i got my start [28-May-24 07:57 PM] .urpalhal#0000 oh gotcha [28-May-24 07:58 PM] jvaler#0000 oh right, this is also a great palette cleanser from nano's "bober" sins {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1245179303566508062/image.png?ex=6814c158&is=68136fd8&hm=1a2c4990a68a43195f0df35e901f34daae4556fad4b01c69b42d8a800f3770ad& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [28-May-24 07:59 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Currently 127th on the LEAD for HAL for the last 7 days [28-May-24 07:59 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Soon to be #1 [28-May-24 07:59 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Then will life be good [28-May-24 07:59 PM] jvaler#0000 https://tenor.com/view/rookie-numbers-gif-26135237 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/rookie-numbers-gif-26135237 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/NFNeWc9X54F9xs4-2Wee989hBvsMkh743mHr6d3LquA/https/media.tenor.com/8CPvdgIHcZ4AAAAe/rookie-numbers.png [28-May-24 08:00 PM] .urpalhal#0000 best part is I've only produced like 126 HAL [28-May-24 08:00 PM] .urpalhal#0000 almost perfect [28-May-24 11:09 PM] evany.#0000 where do you know/see that ? [29-May-24 12:02 AM] jvaler#0000 "LEAD" buffer, "commodity production" in the dropdown [29-May-24 12:18 AM] evany.#0000 oh wow. i had no idea i'd be in the top 25 of anything but surprisingly i am.. [29-May-24 12:18 AM] .urpalhal#0000 ALO? [29-May-24 12:20 AM] evany.#0000 negative. my AL/ALO is quite low.. BBH (despite taking a break to make BSE for someone!) and PG [29-May-24 12:55 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Ooh nice [29-May-24 12:55 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Congrats ๐ŸŽ‰ [29-May-24 02:29 PM] .urpalhal#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1245458950552555520/IMG_2298.png?ex=68147449&is=681322c9&hm=16ef448ae1f520c135944bc1fd9898270da602639969f089068fe2e8a1d829dd& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ”ฅ (2) ๐Ÿ™Œ (2) [29-May-24 02:29 PM] .urpalhal#0000 The full base lives! [04-Jun-24 07:08 PM] .urpalhal#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1247703484820754622/Screenshot_2024-06-04_180753.png?ex=6814b5ab&is=6813642b&hm=7f226c7ec32f9daf8b85f57cc39dff920ef28e39a72deb00e53e5590f3e4727c& [04-Jun-24 07:08 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I am 4th ๐Ÿ™‚ [04-Jun-24 07:19 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 woah... that was fast ๐ŸŽ‰ [04-Jun-24 07:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 You underestimate my power ๐Ÿ™‚ [04-Jun-24 08:45 PM] tanda#0000 looks to me like you're probably tied for 2nd once you have your experts [04-Jun-24 08:46 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Nope I will beat them by 300 [04-Jun-24 08:46 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I think it will be 850/d or something [07-Jun-24 01:43 PM] .urpalhal#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1248708891408338974/Screenshot_2024-06-07_124229.png?ex=68151247&is=6813c0c7&hm=efafc2442b2e4cf7cc6a4a1b50f10d0540cd95c104715608fddc741ed05b56ae& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1248708891638894592/Screenshot_2024-06-07_124307.png?ex=68151247&is=6813c0c7&hm=191396c1190dc00468da5ebb660315f883e9877e77b3f2b31134580f1a59f3b3& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ™Œ (2) [07-Jun-24 01:43 PM] .urpalhal#0000 moving up [07-Jun-24 01:44 PM] .urpalhal#0000 imo we should rename this channel to Hal's Halycon HAL mine updates {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† [07-Jun-24 01:46 PM] sidepipe#0000 What's the price for 1k HAL at Halcyon? [07-Jun-24 01:48 PM] .urpalhal#0000 100/u [07-Jun-24 01:49 PM] sidepipe#0000 Cool, I'll send a contract - it's about time to fill up griffonstone for another week ๐Ÿ˜„ [07-Jun-24 01:49 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Take it off me hands I canโ€™t ship it fast enough [07-Jun-24 01:51 PM] sidepipe#0000 hopefully this will buy you some time (and me some HAL) [07-Jun-24 01:51 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I think it will [07-Jun-24 02:06 PM] .urpalhal#0000 There should be an MMCB [07-Jun-24 02:06 PM] .urpalhal#0000 โ€œMega mass cargo bayโ€ [07-Jun-24 02:06 PM] antisyntax#0000 lol [09-Jun-24 05:32 PM] razesdark#0000 Damn, someone else found and bought all of the cheap limestone i found on asbestos. I think it was 2000 units at 49 per unit. I bought one contract of 500 u at that price. But the rest was bought before i could afford em :/ [09-Jun-24 05:52 PM] tanda#0000 no doubt they got relisted [09-Jun-24 06:16 PM] razesdark#0000 Maybe. Everything on the local market is from a different player than i bought from. I think someone bought it all and is trying to get it moved of the local market now [09-Jun-24 06:20 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Meatbeatmanifesto? [09-Jun-24 06:21 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Bad Food [09-Jun-24 06:21 PM] razesdark#0000 yep [09-Jun-24 06:23 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 They're in FOWL and use the same internal pricing as KAWA. His NS base there regularly overflows with LST ๐Ÿ˜… next time he comes asking in KAWA server for us to buy it I'll give you a heads up. We never buy it, lol [09-Jun-24 06:28 PM] razesdark#0000 ๐Ÿ˜‰ Thanks [14-Jun-24 01:45 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I've currently got 34.3% towards my 5th expert on Halcyon any guess how much it will jump up by in 1 hour when my EXT prod finish? [14-Jun-24 01:47 PM] igfloz#0000 Judging by how much (I think) Industry you have running on that large base, I'm guessing you may be 100% by tomorrow, lol [14-Jun-24 01:48 PM] .urpalhal#0000 lolol [14-Jun-24 01:48 PM] .urpalhal#0000 probs not [14-Jun-24 01:48 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I'm going to guess up 5% [14-Jun-24 01:50 PM] igfloz#0000 5% / hr ? ( I mean thats quick for lvl 5) - or 5% by tomorrow ? [14-Jun-24 01:51 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Per production cycle [14-Jun-24 01:51 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™ve got 1 hour left on the current one [14-Jun-24 01:52 PM] igfloz#0000 yeah, damn quick ! - I'm waiting on lvl 5 exp on Harmonia 13 FRM base. I'm guessing, but I think I'm lucky if I get 1.5% /day [14-Jun-24 02:27 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I think the base is 16 days old and already on my 4th with progress to the fifth [14-Jun-24 02:28 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Benefits of 30 ext [14-Jun-24 03:21 PM] tanda#0000 your units per hour is only going to go up by 2.5 [14-Jun-24 03:46 PM] jvaler#0000 4->5 with 30 buildings should take ~20 days. i don't know the particular production time of halcyon to calculate the % per order though. but if it's at 34.3% now it should be ~14 days until 5th expert {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1251276521684078602/image.png?ex=68148652&is=681334d2&hm=4cc8893315b614fee4e715738675d74b1d068f9ef376cf75cef034e390d04451& [14-Jun-24 03:47 PM] jvaler#0000 915.1 is base expert time in days, 30 is building count, and 1.5 is 150% efficiency at 4 experts + CoGC alignment [14-Jun-24 03:49 PM] igfloz#0000 I'll just crawl back into my hole and wait for expert #5 then, lol [14-Jun-24 03:49 PM] jvaler#0000 FRM experts take forever ๐Ÿ˜ญ [14-Jun-24 03:50 PM] jvaler#0000 at least it's not as bad as WPL though {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1251277636076834867/image.png?ex=6814875c&is=681335dc&hm=dea9db454cc8810689974707649e08e91bcf3ba792caf98b4eaabe9fdb8010d8& [14-Jun-24 03:50 PM] igfloz#0000 yeah, only just at 80.4% [14-Jun-24 03:50 PM] igfloz#0000 oof [14-Jun-24 03:51 PM] jvaler#0000 i've got my 5 there already thankfully [14-Jun-24 03:51 PM] jvaler#0000 i think i'm coming up on my 2nd 90d repair cycle? don't remember [14-Jun-24 03:52 PM] igfloz#0000 I'm just going over my next 10 day burn requirements - Prob gonna send some conts your way @jvaler [14-Jun-24 03:52 PM] jvaler#0000 please do, i have too much stuff ๐Ÿ˜ญ [14-Jun-24 04:20 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I think itโ€™s at 9 or so hours for one run [14-Jun-24 04:25 PM] .urpalhal#0000 But itโ€™s enough to make me first in HAL production [14-Jun-24 04:52 PM] .urpalhal#0000 It only raised 2% ๐Ÿ˜‚ [15-Jun-24 12:06 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I am firmly number two for the last 7 days tho!!!!! [15-Jun-24 12:07 AM] .urpalhal#0000 and 5th for the last 30 [15-Jun-24 12:07 AM] tanda#0000 grats! now you just gotta sell it. Though with the influx of HAL you're providing, I hope more people will realize just how pricey CL is and start buying and processing it [15-Jun-24 12:08 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I gotta move it to sell it tho :3 [15-Jun-24 11:01 PM] jvaler#0000 @razenpok forgot to give you member role once you participated in AGP lol. there's nothing really special about it, but you get to not be dark orange :P {Reactions} actualchadthink [16-Jun-24 12:52 PM] evany.#0000 @jvaler i'd just put the wcb thing into the agp channels- its possible to have different 'grants' [16-Jun-24 12:53 PM] evany.#0000 depending on the timing between the two kits if its 2 weeks plus i'd suggest to just do a draw put the names in https://www.random.org/lists/ run it three times for first 3 names {Embed} https://www.random.org/lists/ RANDOM.ORG - List Randomizer This page allows you to randomize lists of strings using true randomness, which for many purposes is better than the pseudo-random number algorithms typically used in computer programs. [16-Jun-24 12:54 PM] akyantor#0000 tbh, I'd agree, no need to wait until all 6 are available. Just randomly select the order, seems fair enough. *I'd be perfectly fine being last if that's the way it worked out using such a system.* [16-Jun-24 01:00 PM] igfloz#0000 I'm the same as @akyantor I'm in no real rush just yet (subject to change, lol) [16-Jun-24 01:48 PM] akyantor#0000 Don't get me wrong... would love the upgrade sooner rather than later. Just don't mind waiting at the back of a randomised queue, if that's the way the luck falls. Better that someone gets the benefit than no-one. ๐Ÿ™‚ [16-Jun-24 03:03 PM] jvaler#0000 thing is the WCBs aren't grants, they're loans [16-Jun-24 03:03 PM] .urpalhal#0000 If you canโ€™t get them paid off they send me to come on and bust your door down too {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ผ [16-Jun-24 03:04 PM] jvaler#0000 looks like 2 people agree with using RNG to determine who gets the kits first, i'll run a poll [16-Jun-24 03:04 PM] jvaler#0000 it could work [16-Jun-24 04:32 PM] evany.#0000 Not all grants are unrequited though. Some are paid back just like a loan and subject to qualifications [16-Jun-24 04:40 PM] jvaler#0000 by definition a grant is something you don't pay back, right? [16-Jun-24 04:41 PM] jvaler#0000 like for school, you don't pay back scholarships/grants [16-Jun-24 05:25 PM] evany.#0000 for school there is grants yes. sometimes cities and federal grants do require repayment though. i got a grant from city of calgary in 2018 for 250k that ive had to repay like 40k a year, unlike a loan it doesnt accrue interest because its not for profit like a private entity [16-Jun-24 05:26 PM] evany.#0000 canadian understanding might be weird though [16-Jun-24 06:09 PM] jvaler#0000 interesting... [24-Jun-24 09:04 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 this doesn't actually affect people here like it does people in KAWA or AA, but just letting anyone who cares know that I'm going to be winding down most of my bases over the next month or so. Still around and doing some trading and coordinating and stuff on the social side of the game. I'll still be ~~ruling over~~ responsibly governing all of Benten as well. But I won't actually be making anything anymore. All bases will be demolished or converted to just storage ยฏ\_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ So if you want to take over my DNPC Deimos base let me know, I'll loan the materials {Reactions} ๐Ÿซก (4) [24-Jun-24 09:14 PM] tanda#0000 well I'm glad you'll still be with us {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ’š [24-Jun-24 10:00 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Who will I pay my C to ๐Ÿฅบ๐Ÿฅบ [24-Jun-24 10:27 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Oh I'm still going to do some trading and other things like that. I'm just to busy to babysit my empire every day to keep production from grinding to a halt. I will happily help with your C base still ๐Ÿ’š {Reactions} โค๏ธ [24-Jun-24 10:28 PM] .urpalhal#0000 It is mostly paid for [24-Jun-24 10:29 PM] .urpalhal#0000 And I do have 2 WCBs [28-Jun-24 12:54 AM] jcheung#0000 oh. a new category. what's the difference between associate and member trading? ๐Ÿ‘€ [28-Jun-24 06:26 AM] jvaler#0000 rennovated #channel-information should explain [28-Jun-24 06:26 AM] jvaler#0000 but u have access now cause i forgot to give you member role once you became an AGP participant [29-Jun-24 02:31 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Glorious news [29-Jun-24 02:31 PM] .urpalhal#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1256693614323437609/IMG_2337.png?ex=681474e1&is=68132361&hm=8c8c6dc65214882e85ca98cfd7b3740cd3c24addcb9b69815864492365350438& [29-Jun-24 02:31 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Only took [29-Jun-24 02:31 PM] .urpalhal#0000 31 days [29-Jun-24 02:32 PM] .urpalhal#0000 With a day where I could not make anymore HALF bc I had tooo much [29-Jun-24 02:32 PM] tanda#0000 nice, grats! {Reactions} givelove [29-Jun-24 02:33 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Anywho I make like 860 HAL a day now {Reactions} Tasty (2) [29-Jun-24 02:33 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿคช [29-Jun-24 02:33 PM] tanda#0000 oh god [29-Jun-24 02:35 PM] tanda#0000 even a full CHP base just making CL/NA can only process 133 HAL a day [29-Jun-24 02:43 PM] razenpok#0000 We need to put a HALt to this material overflow [29-Jun-24 02:44 PM] evany.#0000 honestly it just makes me wonder what i can turn hal into [29-Jun-24 02:45 PM] evany.#0000 and then i will setup recurring agreement with him lol [29-Jun-24 02:45 PM] razenpok#0000 By the way, that's more than a HALf WCB per day :concern: [29-Jun-24 02:47 PM] tanda#0000 HAL is only CL/NA and LI [29-Jun-24 02:47 PM] tanda#0000 which is awfully limited for literal salt rocks [29-Jun-24 02:51 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Hmm ๐Ÿง no [29-Jun-24 02:52 PM] .urpalhal#0000 CL which makes money bc it makes TCL or something [29-Jun-24 02:53 PM] tanda#0000 CL makes DDT and EPO and TCL and BLE [29-Jun-24 02:57 PM] .urpalhal#0000 All good stuffs [29-Jun-24 03:00 PM] razenpok#0000 Hmm, is it a good idea to just plop a CHP base on Halcyon? It would help with logistics, but I don't know how important CoGC match is [29-Jun-24 03:02 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Pretty important [29-Jun-24 03:03 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Like that is missing out on 25% boost [29-Jun-24 03:04 PM] tanda#0000 with a WCB transporting enough HAL and H2O to keep a base running for a week or more is trivial {Reactions} ๐Ÿค” [29-Jun-24 03:05 PM] tanda#0000 it's not worth cutting out that particular transport issue {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [29-Jun-24 03:07 PM] avalock#0000 i trust Halโ€™s takes on Hal cause its in his name meow [29-Jun-24 03:10 PM] jcheung#0000 ~~it's in his blood~~ [29-Jun-24 03:18 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™m a salty boyo [29-Jun-24 03:19 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Anywho Iโ€™ve got a Chem base on Malahat (helping with the Tech -> Eng-> Sci pipeline. And that doesnโ€™t follow the CoGC and itโ€™s pretty inefficient compared to when you do have CoGC bonus [29-Jun-24 03:45 PM] jcheung#0000 I think the main thing is increased cost per unit [29-Jun-24 03:46 PM] jcheung#0000 Since there's static overhead mo matter if you're producing or not, for pop upkeep and building mx [29-Jun-24 03:47 PM] jcheung#0000 If you don't have a 25% reduction in time cost, that means you pay 33% more overhead compared to someone who has a reduction for the same output [29-Jun-24 03:50 PM] jcheung#0000 The plus side is that you theoretically have to ship in feed stock less overall [29-Jun-24 03:50 PM] jcheung#0000 The minus side... well, there's the aforementioned cost increase, you don't make as much in the same time so your profit goes down even ignoring static costs [29-Jun-24 03:51 PM] jcheung#0000 Imo, if it reduces the logistical tail sufficiently, cogc be damned [29-Jun-24 03:52 PM] tanda#0000 It really does depend. I know there are some ores that are processed on site because shipping them is that much of a pain [29-Jun-24 03:52 PM] jcheung#0000 Like gold i think? [29-Jun-24 03:53 PM] jcheung#0000 Iron also sheds a lot of mass once refined too [29-Jun-24 03:54 PM] tanda#0000 Gold actually only loses like 1 ton of mass once refined, wow [29-Jun-24 04:01 PM] jcheung#0000 Uh. Wait. Gold looks like it gains weight [29-Jun-24 04:01 PM] jcheung#0000 I think? [29-Jun-24 04:03 PM] jcheung#0000 3 auo is around 11.5t, c is 2.25t... Total, call it 14t... 2 au is almost 40t [29-Jun-24 04:03 PM] jcheung#0000 Christ. Au is better moved as ore [29-Jun-24 04:04 PM] jcheung#0000 Unless I'm missing somthing, doing mental math [29-Jun-24 04:05 PM] igfloz#0000 makes sense, (in real world terms) refining ore removes everything but the metal. So 1T of AUO might make 0.5T of AU. BUT 1 T of AU weighs more than 1T of AUO [29-Jun-24 04:06 PM] jcheung#0000 Well, no... it's opposite for some reason ingame [29-Jun-24 04:06 PM] jcheung#0000 15t of material gets you 39t of gold [29-Jun-24 04:06 PM] jcheung#0000 Unless i mesread something [29-Jun-24 04:07 PM] igfloz#0000 urgh ? I dunno how that works. 1 Ton of mountain doesn't make you 1 Ton of gold, or Iron, or Aluminium etc. [29-Jun-24 04:07 PM] jcheung#0000 `mat au [29-Jun-24 04:07 PM] FIDO#2937 {Embed} AU gold Category Metals Weight 19.32 t Volume 1 mยณ Used By FS, ELP Produced By SME [29-Jun-24 04:07 PM] jcheung#0000 `mat auo [29-Jun-24 04:07 PM] FIDO#2937 {Embed} AUO goldOre Category Ores Weight 3.86 t Volume 1 mยณ Used By SME [29-Jun-24 04:07 PM] jcheung#0000 `mat c [29-Jun-24 04:07 PM] FIDO#2937 {Embed} C carbon Category Elements Weight 2.25 t Volume 1 mยณ Used By BMP, CLR, LAB, SME, POL Produced By INC [29-Jun-24 04:08 PM] tanda#0000 some of the recipes are odd to me [29-Jun-24 04:08 PM] jcheung#0000 `math 3.86 * 3 [29-Jun-24 04:08 PM] FIDO#2937 11.58 [29-Jun-24 04:08 PM] jcheung#0000 `math 11.58+2.25 [29-Jun-24 04:08 PM] FIDO#2937 13.83 [29-Jun-24 04:08 PM] tanda#0000 STL, for instance. You don't get steel by adding more oxygen to Iron, you get rust [29-Jun-24 04:09 PM] jcheung#0000 Eh... i think it depends on the process [29-Jun-24 04:09 PM] jcheung#0000 You get steel by removing carbon [29-Jun-24 04:09 PM] jcheung#0000 Adding o2 creates co2 [29-Jun-24 04:09 PM] jcheung#0000 That said it also takes some other additives [29-Jun-24 04:09 PM] tanda#0000 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steel {Embed} https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steel Steel Steel is an alloy of iron and carbon with improved strength and fracture resistance compared to other forms of iron. Because of its high tensile strength and low cost, steel is one of the most commonly manufactured materials in the world. Steel is used in buildings, as concrete reinforcing rods, in bridges, infrastructure, tools, ships, trains, ... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/iJZnFPBmaKr9rwOZG61ISYeDw3jnMl_dPUJYQ-h2Weo/https/upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/22/%25D0%25A0%25D0%25B0%25D0%25B7%25D0%25BB%25D0%25B8%25D0%25B2%25D0%25BA%25D0%25B0_%25D0%25B6%25D0%25B8%25D0%25B4%25D0%25BA%25D0%25BE%25D0%25B3%25D0%25BE_%25D1%2587%25D1%2583%25D0%25B3%25D1%2583%25D0%25BD%25D0%25B0.jpg/1200px-%25D0%25A0%25D0%25B0%25D0%25B7%25D0%25BB%25D0%25B8%25D0%25B2%25D0%25BA%25D0%25B0_%25D0%25B6%25D0%25B8%25D0%25B4%25D0%25BA%25D0%25BE%25D0%25B3%25D0%25BE_%25D1%2587%25D1%2583%25D0%25B3%25D1%2583%25D0%25BD%25D0%25B0.jpg [29-Jun-24 04:10 PM] igfloz#0000 well, yeah, 1m^3 of AU is HEAVY, 1m^3 of AUO is far lighter [29-Jun-24 04:10 PM] tanda#0000 you get steel by mixing Iron and Carbon in the right mixture [29-Jun-24 04:10 PM] jcheung#0000 You're missing what I'm trying to say [29-Jun-24 04:10 PM] igfloz#0000 so like I say, 1m^3 or ore cant get you 1m^3 of gold ? surely ?? [29-Jun-24 04:11 PM] jcheung#0000 AU input is 13.83t, 4m^3 [29-Jun-24 04:11 PM] jcheung#0000 AU output is 38.64t, 2m^3 [29-Jun-24 04:11 PM] igfloz#0000 ah, yeah, volume is smaller, weight is higher [29-Jun-24 04:12 PM] jcheung#0000 And 1m^3 of that is carbon [29-Jun-24 04:12 PM] igfloz#0000 C would be lost in the process [29-Jun-24 04:13 PM] razenpok#0000 Ah, the fabled gold smelting process, the market maker of mass in this universe [29-Jun-24 04:13 PM] razenpok#0000 This is weird af [29-Jun-24 04:15 PM] jcheung#0000 Has that been brought up before? [29-Jun-24 04:16 PM] razenpok#0000 Nothing shows up in the official discord with a "gold weight" or "au weight" query, so I think no [29-Jun-24 04:16 PM] razenpok#0000 This should probably be reported, yea [29-Jun-24 04:17 PM] jcheung#0000 I think there's gonna be some pissed off people who were relying on it ๐Ÿ˜‚ [29-Jun-24 04:18 PM] razenpok#0000 *I think* the reason might be something like, "Gold is heavy IRL, so we are leaving the weight as it is right now. buttt if we make AUO heavier, people will stop shipping it ยฏ\_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ" [29-Jun-24 04:19 PM] razenpok#0000 So, fun > realism [29-Jun-24 04:19 PM] jcheung#0000 Obviously the solution then is to refine the AU in situ ๐Ÿ˜‚ {Reactions} blobyes [29-Jun-24 04:20 PM] igfloz#0000 err, Actually, you get steel by adding scrap steel and injecting Oxygen into raw Iron (in essence adding carbon to the raw iron) Oh, sorry, I see you added more reference :S [29-Jun-24 04:20 PM] razenpok#0000 Then people will be triggered because of the CoGC mismatch ๐Ÿฅด [29-Jun-24 04:21 PM] jcheung#0000 Clearly the thing to do then is to go all in and make it a fuel refining cogc [29-Jun-24 04:51 PM] jvaler#0000 yup ๐Ÿ˜ญ the same thing happens with AU->BGO/RGO so AUO gains mass twice when turning into BGO/RGO, it's so weird lmfao ~~and then i ship the BGO to ANT to sell to rise ;_;~~ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [29-Jun-24 04:52 PM] jcheung#0000 Too bad you can't just install a SME on ANT itself [29-Jun-24 04:53 PM] jvaler#0000 there's infinite space in space, why can't we build extensions ๐Ÿคช [29-Jun-24 05:01 PM] avalock#0000 building our own space stations [29-Jun-24 05:03 PM] jvaler#0000 eventuallyโ„ข๏ธยฉ๏ธยฎ๏ธ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1256731731759992934/image.png?ex=68149861&is=681346e1&hm=3099639bd2bf432ca595ee4c86980dce52772e26975c2cbd04a1472e029c129f& [29-Jun-24 05:03 PM] avalock#0000 lmao [29-Jun-24 05:55 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Eh kinda, depends on the type of steel [29-Jun-24 05:56 PM] jcheung#0000 I mean [29-Jun-24 05:56 PM] jcheung#0000 High carbon steel is one step removed from wrought iron [29-Jun-24 05:57 PM] jcheung#0000 Unless I'm misremembering [29-Jun-24 05:57 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Sometimes itโ€™s about getting the right amount of carbon so you can get pearlite or martinsite [29-Jun-24 05:58 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Usually wrought iron has less than 0.1% C in it [29-Jun-24 06:00 PM] jcheung#0000 Hmm [29-Jun-24 06:00 PM] jcheung#0000 My memory must be failing me [29-Jun-24 06:00 PM] jcheung#0000 I thought wrought iron had more [29-Jun-24 06:01 PM] jcheung#0000 Or was that cast [29-Jun-24 06:01 PM] jcheung#0000 Yep. Cast iron is more [29-Jun-24 06:01 PM] jcheung#0000 Oops [29-Jun-24 06:02 PM] jcheung#0000 Ohhhhh. Whoops. Wrought iron is low carbon content, cast is high, steel is in the middle! [29-Jun-24 06:03 PM] jcheung#0000 And then there are alloys with other stuff that split from there [29-Jun-24 06:07 PM] sidepipe#0000 These terms are giving me flashbacks to my 1 year of materials engineering internship ๐Ÿ˜„ [29-Jun-24 06:08 PM] jcheung#0000 https://www.britannica.com/technology/basic-oxygen-process This is probably the process used ingame though {Embed} https://www.britannica.com/technology/basic-oxygen-process Basic oxygen process (BOP) Basic oxygen process (BOP), a steelmaking method in which pure oxygen is blown into a bath of molten blast-furnace iron and scrap. The oxygen initiates a series of intensively exothermic (heat-releasing) reactions, including the oxidation of such impurities as carbon, silicon, phosphorus, and https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/MOejZ8nux70oX8K3cfrbN98qE8-bdeVWQ_iyt_cg5uI/https/cdn.britannica.com/43/1543-004-45F68D85/oxygen-furnace-shop.jpg [29-Jun-24 06:09 PM] igfloz#0000 Looks exactly like where I work [29-Jun-24 06:11 PM] sidepipe#0000 We did nitinol, not steel, so none of this is familiar to me ๐Ÿ˜„ [29-Jun-24 06:11 PM] sidepipe#0000 And by we I mean they. I just sat at a desk and did numerical work for one of the engineers. My steel-toed boots were for decoration only [29-Jun-24 06:14 PM] jcheung#0000 Well. Now i feel like an imposter as all my knowledge is reading encyclopedias and random internet articles rather than metallurgy industry ๐Ÿ˜‚ [29-Jun-24 06:15 PM] igfloz#0000 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95RFRaUxwBE {Embed} Alec Steele https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95RFRaUxwBE How STEEL is MADE in Great Britain! Get a 60-day free trial at https://ShipStation.com/forge. Thanks to ShipStation for sponsoring the show! Learn more about TATA Steel here: https://www.tatasteeleurope.com/ OUR PRODUCTS: http://alecsteeleco.com/ INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/alecsteele/ ALECSTEELECO YOUTUBE: http://bit.ly/alecsteelecoYT ALECSTEELECO INSTAGRAM: https://w... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/GONoUmNFEiDu2Vm4B9mPOewlIxWwJJmDro1JEJzZC-M/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/95RFRaUxwBE/maxresdefault.jpg [29-Jun-24 06:16 PM] igfloz#0000 Not sure if this is allowed, but that's where I work [29-Jun-24 06:17 PM] tanda#0000 no joke! I feel exactly the same way [29-Jun-24 06:18 PM] jcheung#0000 Hit me on a very specific aircraft subsystem though and i got you ๐Ÿ˜‚ [29-Jun-24 06:18 PM] tanda#0000 I sell soda for a living [29-Jun-24 06:19 PM] igfloz#0000 Oh jeez, I used to work for British Airways, doing maintenance on Boeing 747 & 777 [29-Jun-24 06:20 PM] igfloz#0000 ...but I've forgotten most of my aircraft knowledge [29-Jun-24 06:21 PM] sidepipe#0000 I sling spreadsheets for a living now ๐Ÿ˜ฌ [29-Jun-24 06:21 PM] sidepipe#0000 So donโ€™t ask me any questions, I canโ€™t answer them [29-Jun-24 06:21 PM] jcheung#0000 Hey, i drink soda for a... what's the opposite of a living? [29-Jun-24 06:22 PM] jcheung#0000 Nice. I also worked on a boing, it's coming up on 85 years old now [29-Jun-24 06:25 PM] jcheung#0000 Heh. Typoed that. Reminded me of this meme {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1256752370142937118/myay885xmncz.jpg?ex=6814ab9a&is=68135a1a&hm=e9d48b68d8b45af481f4c9e9b352bf0d4cb230eae0693ad6176021b084307e7b& [29-Jun-24 06:25 PM] igfloz#0000 lol [29-Jun-24 06:26 PM] jcheung#0000 Kinda wish i had gotten my AP license [29-Jun-24 06:33 PM] tanda#0000 Hella interesting [29-Jun-24 06:34 PM] igfloz#0000 Yeah, it's worth a watch I think (If you have no idea on scale and machine power) [29-Jun-24 06:35 PM] tanda#0000 I definitely watched the whole thing [29-Jun-24 06:36 PM] evany.#0000 igfloz is cheating [29-Jun-24 06:36 PM] evany.#0000 he makes steel in his backyard [29-Jun-24 06:36 PM] igfloz#0000 ๐Ÿ˜„ [29-Jun-24 06:37 PM] igfloz#0000 I don't make steel, I just break the LAN from time to time, lol [29-Jun-24 06:38 PM] evany.#0000 would the machines work if they didn't have network? [29-Jun-24 06:39 PM] igfloz#0000 I shouldn't say (can't give LAN redundancy secrets away evayoo, you know this !) [29-Jun-24 06:41 PM] evany.#0000 see they wouldnt work [29-Jun-24 06:41 PM] evany.#0000 its 2024, nobody builds redundancy in network toplogies [29-Jun-24 06:41 PM] evany.#0000 and if it wouldnt work with you you- your a steel mill operator! [29-Jun-24 06:42 PM] igfloz#0000 err, I do ! [29-Jun-24 06:44 PM] jcheung#0000 You mean you think you do ๐Ÿ˜œ [29-Jun-24 06:44 PM] evany.#0000 the mans right ! [29-Jun-24 06:44 PM] igfloz#0000 hmmm, yeah, your probably right, nothing worse than an over confident network guy right ? [29-Jun-24 06:45 PM] jcheung#0000 I mean, unless you went and took down the network while it was running to test it, there's no way to tell for sure ๐Ÿ˜„ [29-Jun-24 06:45 PM] jcheung#0000 And i have doubts that bosses would allow that [29-Jun-24 06:46 PM] igfloz#0000 It does happen, but you are generally correct. Production > Engineering needs (down time is very fluid) [29-Jun-24 06:47 PM] igfloz#0000 ..should be the reverse. Engineering should govern production time [29-Jun-24 06:47 PM] jcheung#0000 ~~If you make anything hot enough it will be a fluid~~ [29-Jun-24 06:48 PM] jcheung#0000 Doesn't visibly make the moneys [29-Jun-24 06:49 PM] igfloz#0000 lol, I mean fluid as in timeframe. planned maintenance could be week 32, but then in 10 days it's bumped to week 35, then week 47................ and you a re right, Engineering is Money spent, not money made [29-Jun-24 06:50 PM] jcheung#0000 you and i know that's not true, but the stupid baked beancounters can't look past next week [29-Jun-24 06:50 PM] igfloz#0000 same for my aging productions plants and ships in game, they need repaurs, but stuff it, I need the monies, lol [29-Jun-24 06:50 PM] jcheung#0000 sure, taking the lines down for 6 hours loses you 400k, but you know what loses you more? deferred mx causing unscheduled crashes three or four times over the next year [29-Jun-24 06:51 PM] evany.#0000 oh i didnt tell you igfloz last week cab rejected a firmware push to like 30 buildings due to change freeze then when they found out one of the operators of cab's guys wanted the change(s) they called us last minute to see if we'd still do the change and that the change freeze doesnt -really matter- [29-Jun-24 06:51 PM] jcheung#0000 "oh, if it doesn't really matter you can just go ahead and remove it" [29-Jun-24 06:52 PM] igfloz#0000 ...and there was me all relaxed, until @evany. brought up CAB - go away ๐Ÿ™‚ [29-Jun-24 06:52 PM] evany.#0000 idk about yours but mines really chill in this env [29-Jun-24 06:53 PM] igfloz#0000 I really dislike mine [29-Jun-24 06:53 PM] evany.#0000 depending on how busy we have 40-70 people usually on it [29-Jun-24 06:53 PM] evany.#0000 and its kind of endearing because youll have junior people on the call and the 3 directors in it all know whats up [29-Jun-24 06:54 PM] evany.#0000 so they're so nice like 'hey man this just doesn't make the cut' [29-Jun-24 06:54 PM] evany.#0000 'infact remember when we rejected evans shit change ten minutes ago? fix t he same problem as his' [29-Jun-24 06:54 PM] igfloz#0000 oh wow, knowledgeable peeps eh ? I wish [29-Jun-24 06:55 PM] evany.#0000 yea [29-Jun-24 06:55 PM] evany.#0000 my old gig had retards managing shit that aren't sure how shoes work [29-Jun-24 06:55 PM] evany.#0000 but current environment is govt and strongly prefers bumping up people inside [29-Jun-24 06:56 PM] evany.#0000 less than 30% of our jobs even get publicly offered [29-Jun-24 06:56 PM] igfloz#0000 yeah, I feel I firmly live in a world between Manglement and (L)users [29-Jun-24 06:56 PM] evany.#0000 do isp man. residential [29-Jun-24 06:56 PM] evany.#0000 en terprise/commercial its usually some grizzled firewall admin like 'hey ichecked ev erything but it dont work' [29-Jun-24 06:56 PM] igfloz#0000 nope, sounds worse [29-Jun-24 06:57 PM] evany.#0000 residential though its some kid screaming about his xbox because his mom unplugged his router [29-Jun-24 06:57 PM] igfloz#0000 evry call a hang up - yeah, sounds worse lol [29-Jun-24 06:57 PM] avalock#0000 me [29-Jun-24 06:59 PM] evany.#0000 customer has two redundant 40gig links they are paying you 30k/month for one goes down "hey got an estimated time to repair ?" kid with 40mb adsl service cant load youtube and hes screaming about how hes gonna sue you over 49$ payments [29-Jun-24 06:59 PM] evany.#0000 shits so funny [29-Jun-24 06:59 PM] avalock#0000 I'll make sure my mom cant turn off my internet anymore tho https://www.amazon.com/ALFA-Network-2v2-Universal-Motorhome/dp/B086D645P1 :lsxyzDevil: {Embed} https://www.amazon.com/ALFA-Network-2v2-Universal-Motorhome/dp/B086D645P1 ALFA Network WiFi CampPro 2v2 (Version 2) Universal WiFi/Internet R... ALFA Network WiFi CampPro 2v2 (version 2) Universal WiFi 2.4 GHz / Internet Range Extender Kit for Caravan/Motorhome, Boat, RV https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/HDVu6B8iA-RLb4hO6KnznW9ZKKmWTeE9nfppETrhc4o/https/m.media-amazon.com/images/I/412my6R9tOL._SR600%252c315_PIWhiteStrip%252cBottomLeft%252c0%252c35_PIStarRatingFOUR%252cBottomLeft%252c360%252c-6_SR600%252c315_ZA651%252c445%252c290%252c400%252c400%252cAmazonEmberBold%252c12%252c4%252c0%252c0%252c5_SCLZZZZZZZ_FMpng_BG255%252c255%252c255.jpg [29-Jun-24 07:00 PM] evany.#0000 dont buy repeaters ๐Ÿ˜› [29-Jun-24 07:00 PM] evany.#0000 buy PtP {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [29-Jun-24 07:00 PM] igfloz#0000 urgh ! [29-Jun-24 07:01 PM] igfloz#0000 repeaters lose half the bandwidth capability [29-Jun-24 07:01 PM] avalock#0000 Fuck [29-Jun-24 07:01 PM] evany.#0000 nevermind that half the time they just dont work at all [29-Jun-24 07:01 PM] avalock#0000 THERE {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1256761540808278057/AGA-2424T__prod_01_dddcddbd-a54b-4a15-8dc6-68d681ec65d6_800x800.png?ex=6814b424&is=681362a4&hm=ffc3bb653fb6d68f49ebd8edd9d2708ad0ce9ebef7d94ae5e7009a1358e92352& [29-Jun-24 07:01 PM] avalock#0000 This [29-Jun-24 07:01 PM] evany.#0000 thats just a dish mate [29-Jun-24 07:02 PM] avalock#0000 I understand there's more it connects to ๐Ÿ˜” [29-Jun-24 07:02 PM] igfloz#0000 wait a minute, that repeater system looks like a re-badged Ubiquiti solution [29-Jun-24 07:02 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/bm91L.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/satellite-satellite-dish-time-lapse-gif-17874079 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/2IR2Xjv3dVbtiqclu2ep0ZkimgxUoCKwGrdbiHwqHs0/https/media.tenor.com/nP5kElJ_lRsAAAAe/satellite-satellite-dish.png [29-Jun-24 07:02 PM] evany.#0000 it does yeah [29-Jun-24 07:03 PM] igfloz#0000 looks like the (older) bullet style [29-Jun-24 07:03 PM] evany.#0000 we've never talked about PtP but most of my experience is running 2kqam w/xpic for fdx on dragonwaves https://dragonwavex.com/system/files/82-000056-05-00_horizon_quantum_product_sheet_0.pdf [29-Jun-24 07:04 PM] evany.#0000 you can pick up a cheap used pair for only like 80k! [29-Jun-24 07:04 PM] igfloz#0000 rofl, always bringing something to the convo eh ? [29-Jun-24 07:11 PM] igfloz#0000 Anyhoo.... @avalock - just to clarify. The product you posted appears to be 2.4GHz only - 2.4 GHz has a max capacity of 56 mbps bandwidth under ideal conditions. As a repeater, that will at least drop to 28 mbps (ideally) - Real world expectation (imho) 10 mbps. that's a pretty poor 1 meg connection ๐Ÿ˜ฆ [29-Jun-24 07:12 PM] evany.#0000 hdx on the uplink side and hdx on the receive side [29-Jun-24 07:12 PM] evany.#0000 nevermind crc's / interference [29-Jun-24 07:15 PM] jcheung#0000 ....shit i wish i had more money right now [29-Jun-24 07:15 PM] jcheung#0000 @tanda you have any liquid cash? [29-Jun-24 07:16 PM] avalock#0000 ๐Ÿ˜” damn [29-Jun-24 07:16 PM] avalock#0000 I can't beat my mom unplugging the router with that [29-Jun-24 07:17 PM] igfloz#0000 It gets worse really. One side of that set up (should) connect to the router - so you have no win ๐Ÿ˜ฆ [29-Jun-24 07:17 PM] avalock#0000 Oh well I was thinking I just get secret router for when mom unplugs it [29-Jun-24 07:18 PM] avalock#0000 then I connect to like a Dairy queen down the road [29-Jun-24 07:18 PM] evany.#0000 im honestly not sure if hes messing with us or not igfloz [29-Jun-24 07:18 PM] tanda#0000 I do, what's going on? [29-Jun-24 07:18 PM] avalock#0000 I am lmfao [29-Jun-24 07:18 PM] evany.#0000 poes law [29-Jun-24 07:18 PM] igfloz#0000 harrumph ! [29-Jun-24 07:18 PM] evany.#0000 told you! [29-Jun-24 07:18 PM] avalock#0000 But I'm just using the uhhhhh scenario that like uhhh D3f4ult used when he was doing stuff [29-Jun-24 07:19 PM] avalock#0000 https://youtu.be/0RC6PFEJxik?si=omj-0GGTS47fZ5Ia {Embed} Jack Rhysider https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RC6PFEJxik One Click, $9 Million In Student Debt Erased๐ŸŽ™Darknet Diaries Ep. 13... The hacktivist known as D3f4ult was upset with the status quo. So he (and his cohorts) used their skills to take down predators and expose government surveillance. But when he set his sights on a much bigger target โ€” the director of the CIA โ€” things got hot real fast. Visit https://darknetdiaries.com/episode/139/ for a list of sources, full tra... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/u1dAW4NsG5gfzNfjuvTUcGgzW-3J6g_UE_xB0qbPyIg/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/0RC6PFEJxik/maxresdefault.jpg [29-Jun-24 07:19 PM] avalock#0000 this dude [29-Jun-24 07:19 PM] igfloz#0000 go back to being a cat ๐Ÿ˜› ROFL [29-Jun-24 07:19 PM] avalock#0000 meow :3 [29-Jun-24 07:19 PM] igfloz#0000 ty [29-Jun-24 07:22 PM] avalock#0000 when I'm not a cat, I'm out of my parents house and also paying for internet [29-Jun-24 07:22 PM] avalock#0000 I mean [29-Jun-24 07:22 PM] avalock#0000 meow [29-Jun-24 07:23 PM] igfloz#0000 sounds legit [29-Jun-24 07:24 PM] avalock#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ญ damn this time iโ€™m being real [29-Jun-24 08:26 PM] avalock#0000 big {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1256782972154286143/image.png?ex=6814c81a&is=6813769a&hm=6000234573bc239dd10efb6e6aca7829c96dbfecea7d09a1ad4ccfd8f6c5ee2a& [29-Jun-24 08:44 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/rVfpfsTttvH.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/oh-that's-nice-barry-egan-punch-drunk-love-that's-wonderful-columbia-pictures-100-gif-14905477113344294971 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/2LyHZKCQOZgAo_W0S90T6ot8FOiPTWUKgAfk43vqAgE/https/media.tenor.com/ztrkdkSaADsAAAAe/oh-that%2527s-nice-barry-egan.png [29-Jun-24 09:33 PM] .urpalhal#0000 well I do be a material scientists so.... {Reactions} ๐Ÿค” [29-Jun-24 09:36 PM] sidepipe#0000 Itโ€™s a super cool field, just too big brain for me ๐Ÿ˜ [29-Jun-24 09:36 PM] .urpalhal#0000 there's a lot in it [29-Jun-24 09:37 PM] .urpalhal#0000 chemistry, physics, math, statics [29-Jun-24 09:37 PM] .urpalhal#0000 dynamics [29-Jun-24 09:37 PM] .urpalhal#0000 fluid mechanics, heat transfer [29-Jun-24 09:37 PM] .urpalhal#0000 yucky stuff [29-Jun-24 09:43 PM] jcheung#0000 meanwhile i've brain dumped all my avionics knowledge, and know barely anything about my current job (not sure how i still work here).... [01-Jul-24 08:16 AM] jvaler#0000 sorry for the ping, realized it should have been in AA [02-Jul-24 11:14 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Woot Woot I make the most HAL {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1257912282701238302/Screenshot_2024-07-02_221315.png?ex=6814ef5b&is=68139ddb&hm=9fac3f4e842439467ed0db0c9d3418bc7ef3e1b4fa120940b65be8c10dd82294& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1257912283003224164/Screenshot_2024-07-02_221349.png?ex=6814ef5b&is=68139ddb&hm=5d549b6d600fa2b2659ca142eac6be4d9dc3fc422ac94d78585b1d5eaff60ed3& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ผ (2) ๐Ÿ”ฅ (2) Businesscat [03-Jul-24 12:01 AM] .urpalhal#0000 just need to keep it up [03-Jul-24 09:14 AM] realharvey#0000 You are using a triple permit correct? [03-Jul-24 10:28 AM] jvaler#0000 wait i thought u said you lost #1 [03-Jul-24 10:28 AM] jvaler#0000 did you not have full experts or something? [03-Jul-24 10:53 AM] avalock#0000 iโ€™m nearly top 10 for LST :D [03-Jul-24 11:05 AM] .urpalhal#0000 yup [03-Jul-24 11:06 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I gained it back? [03-Jul-24 11:06 AM] jvaler#0000 i'm banishing you to aratora until you get those numbers up [03-Jul-24 11:06 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I got full experts just after the other person? [03-Jul-24 11:06 AM] avalock#0000 D: [03-Jul-24 11:06 AM] avalock#0000 what do you want me at boss? [03-Jul-24 11:06 AM] jvaler#0000 oh well if u still have #1 i take back my vote on the poll the other day {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [03-Jul-24 11:07 AM] jvaler#0000 #1 of course [03-Jul-24 11:07 AM] avalock#0000 will do maโ€™am [03-Jul-24 11:07 AM] avalock#0000 ๐Ÿซก [03-Jul-24 02:57 PM] jcheung#0000 F*k me [03-Jul-24 02:58 PM] jcheung#0000 Didn't realize i can only rent one warehouse at this location [03-Jul-24 02:59 PM] jcheung#0000 Anyone know if i make a LM order, does that material automatically get removed from my storage? [03-Jul-24 02:59 PM] avalock#0000 it doesnโ€™t [03-Jul-24 02:59 PM] avalock#0000 it works like a contract [03-Jul-24 03:00 PM] jcheung#0000 Blah. Anyone going to be on in a few hours and willing to play contract hot potato with me? Like 4 hrs or so [03-Jul-24 03:01 PM] avalock#0000 what do you need held? [03-Jul-24 03:02 PM] jcheung#0000 Around 500t worth of assorted materials until i get the CM placed [03-Jul-24 03:02 PM] avalock#0000 i could rent a Warehouse for you too and hold it [03-Jul-24 03:02 PM] jcheung#0000 Yeah, that's what i meant [03-Jul-24 03:02 PM] avalock#0000 where at [03-Jul-24 03:03 PM] jcheung#0000 WAR ZV-307E [03-Jul-24 03:04 PM] avalock#0000 oof thats a planet [03-Jul-24 03:04 PM] avalock#0000 send contract [03-Jul-24 03:05 PM] jcheung#0000 Get home in 3-4 hrs and ship arrives in 5 [03-Jul-24 03:05 PM] avalock#0000 worm [03-Jul-24 03:05 PM] avalock#0000 why this planet? [03-Jul-24 03:06 PM] jcheung#0000 Cogc match [03-Jul-24 03:07 PM] jcheung#0000 ... and rise assures me it'll be perfect in a week or two to handle what i want from it [03-Jul-24 03:07 PM] avalock#0000 ahhh [08-Jul-24 01:38 AM] puncher23#0000 What do you all think of making an ANTARES channel in game. I know we have discord but I think a fair few dont use it and it does resource hog on older pcs. If we had an Antares in game chat with all the planets we could welcome new people and help instigate and assit with trades and shipping we miss out because no dicord or lack of want to join one. I ask in here because Kawa is primarily in Ben space not Ant but I like Ant ๐Ÿ™‚ [08-Jul-24 04:47 AM] Deleted User#0000 That seems like more effort than it'd be worth. [08-Jul-24 04:48 AM] Deleted User#0000 I mean, I see the applications behind it, but I think the effort outweighs any benefits. [08-Jul-24 04:48 AM] Deleted User#0000 And I don't think there's been anyone who's complained about Discord taking up too many resources thus far. [08-Jul-24 09:24 PM] puncher23#0000 Ok just spitballing [09-Jul-24 05:48 PM] evany.#0000 i'd also point out that while i agree discord has slowly turned into bloated shit the last few years (yay capitalism) there is a web version that works fine (i use it everyday) i'd be kind of curious to know how many people use ingame chat.. honestly first time i thought of it was when the politics update came out and rise mentioned he was talking in one of the chats and it hit me that the game has ingame chat. personally have never used it [09-Jul-24 06:04 PM] jcheung#0000 Is the web version lighter than the app? [09-Jul-24 06:05 PM] jcheung#0000 I thought it was the other way around but i guess i didn't look [09-Jul-24 06:11 PM] evany.#0000 they aren't really different to my knowledge (limited!) i haven't ever bothered to do much of a 'deep dive' on discord. the discord app itself however is just a glorified browser to the same electron app {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1260372897411895307/image.png?ex=6814a87b&is=681356fb&hm=ff3228c50c411687cd37d97b5391ec91ec06c7ee806b6ae9b97a14b6633127b2& [09-Jul-24 07:04 PM] jvaler#0000 global has good activity, i have a tile for it on my main screen [09-Jul-24 07:05 PM] jvaler#0000 the web version of discord always felt slower and less responsive, but i have no proof of it lol [09-Jul-24 07:24 PM] evany.#0000 i wouldn't argue that in a heartbeat. undoubtedly your right since you get another abstraction layer (the browser of choice) and its less feature-rich (both to push adoption of their app so you buy more useless shit, and technical debt in general) i constantly underestimate how much development time it takes for 'finish' tasks like highlighting ui elements you mouse over, gracefully swapping the chat window when switching channels for ease of access and dozens of other widgets emotes gifs and image loads and rendering just to name a few! i'd put money down that your right as half those things in a browser require page loads and frame management that the app wouldn't be held to do [25-Jul-24 10:37 PM] xtc69#0000 okay before i buy some stuff what you guys think {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1266238026267361280/image.png?ex=6814e6cf&is=6813954f&hm=f5dc507c3120a8d6bf7fb5bdce3017b04fb7ae0dd3f2aadd9fc59dc707b5b0a3& [25-Jul-24 10:38 PM] xtc69#0000 for when i build them should i have only cut everything i half ? [25-Jul-24 10:39 PM] xtc69#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1266238341909708801/image.png?ex=6814e71a&is=6813959a&hm=002ca105ed242ab7ab87d5cb8eac0d2217368210d3b5aca9aca491027feb08de& [25-Jul-24 10:40 PM] jcheung#0000 i was literally about to suggest that after i finished looking at the first one [25-Jul-24 10:40 PM] jcheung#0000 lmao [25-Jul-24 10:40 PM] jcheung#0000 maybe not by half though, since your feedstock is being mined on planet [25-Jul-24 10:40 PM] jcheung#0000 i would keep like 100k in reserve though, maybe bring EXTs up to max [25-Jul-24 10:40 PM] tanda#0000 the second plan is a good idea honestly. That gives you cash to supply your base population for a week or two [25-Jul-24 10:40 PM] xtc69#0000 what is max ? [25-Jul-24 10:41 PM] tanda#0000 though yeah, EXTs are cheap, drop them first and sell your excess on LM [25-Jul-24 10:41 PM] jcheung#0000 plan 1. 5 of them [25-Jul-24 10:41 PM] jcheung#0000 what does it list for shopping cart for a 10 day supply cost? [25-Jul-24 10:41 PM] xtc69#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1266239033068224606/image.png?ex=6814e7bf&is=6813963f&hm=3732f2bf4367340f91b7f9c8c5f70d46ce7cc38000b0b9cfbd5c9588730b5aea& [25-Jul-24 10:42 PM] xtc69#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1266239093059223572/image.png?ex=6814e7cd&is=6813964d&hm=9dc9b0ed43fab8eeeb18ed667d4703abc8bebe5fb2f8e6ab532a85f31762d336& [25-Jul-24 10:42 PM] jcheung#0000 other way around [25-Jul-24 10:42 PM] xtc69#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1266239168208699402/image.png?ex=6814e7df&is=6813965f&hm=dce2ad1166dfa8589c6946bc6d5f35a7ec81887255c952da249bd04f7295973e& [25-Jul-24 10:42 PM] jcheung#0000 you want to have an excess of ALO [25-Jul-24 10:42 PM] xtc69#0000 so 10 ext and 1 sme ? [25-Jul-24 10:42 PM] jcheung#0000 what? no [25-Jul-24 10:42 PM] jcheung#0000 this one is your full one right? [25-Jul-24 10:43 PM] xtc69#0000 yea but cost 800 [25-Jul-24 10:43 PM] jcheung#0000 for your half base, adjust the EXTs up to 5, the "max" you had on the original [25-Jul-24 10:43 PM] xtc69#0000 ight {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1266239555904868352/image.png?ex=6814e83b&is=681396bb&hm=b0537e2ae0b17d7864db877b5bc016e8db476ef23c779bc30dc1e96791379c17& [25-Jul-24 10:44 PM] jcheung#0000 also check the box that says "include CM?" [25-Jul-24 10:44 PM] xtc69#0000 sorry to many pics lol [25-Jul-24 10:44 PM] xtc69#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1266239648284278847/image.png?ex=6814e851&is=681396d1&hm=af6df4b77a49bb5b5fcb5507b32311ab52ffc44452934d5b141ebe7a44e0b49e& [25-Jul-24 10:45 PM] jcheung#0000 cool. i think you can either stay there and see what it looks like in a.... uh.... hang on. let me look at something [25-Jul-24 10:45 PM] xtc69#0000 https://prunplanner.org/shared/a5bb0db3-af8c-4968-8bab-07d41b5c83a0 {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/shared/a5bb0db3-af8c-4968-8bab-07d41b5c83a0 PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [25-Jul-24 10:46 PM] jcheung#0000 okay, PIO won't be a problem, so you can either stay 5EXT/6SME or you can add a SME and a HB1, and sit on the rest of your cash for like 3-4 days [25-Jul-24 10:46 PM] jcheung#0000 so you see what it feels like [25-Jul-24 10:46 PM] tanda#0000 what's on your base right now? [25-Jul-24 10:46 PM] jcheung#0000 COLIQ [25-Jul-24 10:46 PM] jcheung#0000 should be blank slate [25-Jul-24 10:46 PM] jcheung#0000 and whatever metallurgy start gave [25-Jul-24 10:47 PM] xtc69#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1266240506640334991/image.png?ex=6814e91e&is=6813979e&hm=3a80ff955d61ce0b4aab86b60f0b406baa44325e8de468340f420534939a3112& [25-Jul-24 10:48 PM] xtc69#0000 1 hb1 and ext [25-Jul-24 10:49 PM] xtc69#0000 my shopping cart already have someone to buy bfebs {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1266240912904945736/image.png?ex=6814e97f&is=681397ff&hm=561476353e39a711443427ad7508b57a670d095167d25b728e77c46ec69e3fdf& [25-Jul-24 10:49 PM] xtc69#0000 then need to buy the rest [25-Jul-24 10:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 So just MCG then? [25-Jul-24 10:50 PM] xtc69#0000 i think so [25-Jul-24 10:50 PM] xtc69#0000 cause everything els is bfeb right ? [25-Jul-24 10:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Jvaler has MCG for free [25-Jul-24 10:51 PM] xtc69#0000 guy name decks giving me a starting disconct on bfebs [25-Jul-24 10:51 PM] .urpalhal#0000 https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1183249045624471582/1228507717250056272 [25-Jul-24 10:51 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Nice! [25-Jul-24 10:52 PM] xtc69#0000 yea about to send him shopping cart of what i need [25-Jul-24 10:53 PM] .urpalhal#0000 But yeah BSE BBH BTA and BDE are all BFABs [25-Jul-24 10:56 PM] jcheung#0000 nice [25-Jul-24 11:03 PM] xtc69#0000 sorry trying to change my keybored setting geting annoyed of lights lol [26-Jul-24 01:07 PM] xtc69#0000 @jvaler do i just send you a contract for what i need just making sure have not send a contract before lol [26-Jul-24 06:17 PM] jvaler#0000 yup! [26-Jul-24 06:18 PM] xtc69#0000 did it go threw not sure [26-Jul-24 06:18 PM] jvaler#0000 uhh i'm not home atm to check lol sry [26-Jul-24 06:18 PM] xtc69#0000 no biggie take your time haha [26-Jul-24 06:18 PM] jvaler#0000 out at a restaurant and then going to a concert :P will probably check tomorrow morning [26-Jul-24 06:18 PM] xtc69#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1266535240889925710/image.png?ex=6814aa1c&is=6813589c&hm=d486533f5e8ee3163105c74126078cece94ef07034f69150fb1c63b486f9bbc2& [26-Jul-24 06:19 PM] xtc69#0000 not sure why it says party but when i click it your name there [26-Jul-24 06:56 PM] finestone#0000 Party is just the term used to describe the the participants in a contract. {Reactions} โœ… [26-Jul-24 06:56 PM] finestone#0000 Ko-Combine is his company name (KCB) {Reactions} โœ… [26-Jul-24 07:04 PM] xtc69#0000 aww i see make sence and tyty [26-Jul-24 11:07 PM] jvaler#0000 ah i just realized you're gonna have to remake this, my stock is on ANT not deimos sorry [26-Jul-24 11:15 PM] xtc69#0000 ight the contract is fine [26-Jul-24 11:19 PM] jvaler#0000 did you send a new one? i don't see anything [26-Jul-24 11:19 PM] xtc69#0000 AI1 right [26-Jul-24 11:19 PM] xtc69#0000 making it now [26-Jul-24 11:19 PM] jvaler#0000 ah [26-Jul-24 11:19 PM] jvaler#0000 yeah AI1 [26-Jul-24 11:20 PM] xtc69#0000 sent should be right [26-Jul-24 11:20 PM] xtc69#0000 want me to fly there and get it need to go there anyways [26-Jul-24 11:20 PM] xtc69#0000 to pick up my 10 supply [26-Jul-24 11:20 PM] jvaler#0000 oop you gotta rent some warehouses for me to fulfill it [26-Jul-24 11:20 PM] xtc69#0000 10 day ^ [26-Jul-24 11:21 PM] xtc69#0000 aww hold on [26-Jul-24 11:21 PM] xtc69#0000 okay bought one [26-Jul-24 11:22 PM] xtc69#0000 did i buy on right planted lol [26-Jul-24 11:22 PM] xtc69#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1266611766574579735/image.png?ex=6814f161&is=68139fe1&hm=c13338b23a0c84b466adfc53334c9fba1e7dbe1f60aa6c7f427d78ea552422ef& [26-Jul-24 11:25 PM] jvaler#0000 uhhh [26-Jul-24 11:25 PM] jvaler#0000 no you gotta get warehouses on antares station lol [26-Jul-24 11:25 PM] jvaler#0000 astraeus is an unrelated planet [26-Jul-24 11:37 PM] jcheung#0000 `WAR ANT` [26-Jul-24 11:47 PM] xtc69#0000 got it [26-Jul-24 11:48 PM] xtc69#0000 is there a palce to see all WAR [26-Jul-24 11:49 PM] jvaler#0000 `INV` buffer, then filter by warehouse [26-Jul-24 11:50 PM] xtc69#0000 tyty [27-Jul-24 01:26 PM] jvaler#0000 @xtc69 could you terminate contract `9K7SX8D` plz? [27-Jul-24 01:32 PM] xtc69#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1266825553122562100/image.png?ex=68150fbc&is=6813be3c&hm=3320bb645744f08a57d66fbe27edcdea9c8e87a1a2a62633b6ed75c1b645619b& [27-Jul-24 01:32 PM] xtc69#0000 just did [27-Jul-24 02:06 PM] jvaler#0000 ty [27-Jul-24 03:12 PM] xtc69#0000 its for 10 days should i do 5 first {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1266850772809941084/image.png?ex=68147e79&is=68132cf9&hm=11437b3c5ceca6c65f33109db9c84389acb042091e86824b8f124793af6dfb44& [27-Jul-24 04:33 PM] jvaler#0000 just depends on how much money you have and what's a comfortable buffer to you [27-Jul-24 04:40 PM] xtc69#0000 i got 600k left so was thinking 10 days to give me buffer [27-Jul-24 04:40 PM] jvaler#0000 oh yeah that sounds good [27-Jul-24 05:04 PM] jcheung#0000 600k after buying the base build mats? [27-Jul-24 05:46 PM] xtc69#0000 i bought half [27-Jul-24 05:47 PM] xtc69#0000 to build this to get it started up {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1266889643048046777/image.png?ex=6814a2ac&is=6813512c&hm=0e61bae62c2d7e1a2b1c327b050114c955b9b8d6c7781330eeb17279f83810c4& [27-Jul-24 05:49 PM] xtc69#0000 only missing some BTA but here at ANT {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1266890180875390986/image.png?ex=6814a32c&is=681351ac&hm=1ca15f39e120ad9fe7b8478181c54348d891ad7eec029b583ddfa718ebb03572& [27-Jul-24 07:16 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I have BTA if you need [28-Jul-24 02:59 PM] xtc69#0000 question says i have 300 more space of room right ? but i belt my plan from planner ? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1267209819149045882/image.png?ex=68147b5c&is=681329dc&hm=b305c9de184f5df379f783f16f405f5d984661e5c2adbfae368e1587d12e205c& [28-Jul-24 02:59 PM] flor2081#0000 no thats 198 more space [28-Jul-24 03:00 PM] flor2081#0000 on the left it says "developed / avail / total" so that means theres 198 available out of the 500 [28-Jul-24 03:00 PM] xtc69#0000 is it because i have not belt my STO ? [28-Jul-24 03:00 PM] xtc69#0000 i got 5 ext and 6 sme says should fill all 600 ? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1267210196481216584/image.png?ex=68147bb6&is=68132a36&hm=00ae12a156947af12e0707efa8d526f90c69c23792b67e97c386e812798ef05d& [28-Jul-24 03:01 PM] xtc69#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1267210264760287312/image.png?ex=68147bc6&is=68132a46&hm=03a9d7bbc7ea874257026002f32f65211aa8d7b1e436c710ce2b69ba9535e03c& [28-Jul-24 03:03 PM] flor2081#0000 yeah when you build the STO you'll have 173 more space like prunplanner says [28-Jul-24 03:03 PM] flor2081#0000 just to make sure, this is the area part {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1267210967121662115/image.png?ex=68147c6e&is=68132aee&hm=9fd816cea5a290844aadb085a8227f95428add13229b5a91dc0455ce4397e106& [28-Jul-24 03:06 PM] xtc69#0000 is my HB1 fine of workers not wasting food and stuff right [28-Jul-24 03:06 PM] xtc69#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1267211623076990976/image.png?ex=68147d0a&is=68132b8a&hm=5972fef01bf46fd3aec559f6c2b4f365e89b9c0d168f305faade9f0672d89863& [28-Jul-24 03:06 PM] xtc69#0000 or should i build 1 more HB1 [28-Jul-24 03:08 PM] flor2081#0000 oh, actually looks like you need another HB1 yeah [28-Jul-24 03:11 PM] xtc69#0000 yeah weird that my contrution supply was right i guess not lol [28-Jul-24 03:12 PM] xtc69#0000 @flor2081 just sent [28-Jul-24 03:12 PM] flor2081#0000 alrighty ๐Ÿ˜„ [28-Jul-24 03:28 PM] xtc69#0000 tyty [28-Jul-24 05:34 PM] xtc69#0000 does this look right or wrong channel ? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1267248881285075016/image.png?ex=68149fbd&is=68134e3d&hm=a0ba4fa00b0424f9e48bcd9f03a48c54be9114e9d3806b7635681e8795778a11& [28-Jul-24 05:49 PM] tanda#0000 No, you will need to set it to Both: AI1_BUY [28-Jul-24 05:49 PM] tanda#0000 this sets it so that your products are using the ASK prices on the Antares CX [28-Jul-24 05:49 PM] tanda#0000 right now, that one is set to average between ASK and BID prices on the NC1 CX [28-Jul-24 06:23 PM] xtc69#0000 i think i did it right {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1267261078845263892/image.png?ex=6814ab19&is=68135999&hm=d8f52731abe90f2ce9cfc7db12690654293e232dc30fe0a344935d3035b5cb0f& [28-Jul-24 06:23 PM] xtc69#0000 kinda a weird one lol [28-Jul-24 06:25 PM] tanda#0000 yes, for some reason PRUN planner made up its own terminology [28-Jul-24 06:32 PM] xtc69#0000 haha [28-Jul-24 07:43 PM] finestone#0000 I would also setup an A1 Sell AVG to see the upper limits [28-Jul-24 07:45 PM] finestone#0000 Sometimes spreads can be really high and ideally you are not only selling to buy orders but always analyze the markets [28-Jul-24 07:48 PM] xtc69#0000 wont let me {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1267282625219919882/image.png?ex=6814bf2a&is=68136daa&hm=f9f488d9f7d209704e359bc99c3859b10a71984db66ab21c996bb9b0a50b9981& [28-Jul-24 07:49 PM] finestone#0000 Remove the both line [28-Jul-24 07:49 PM] finestone#0000 add Buy "A1 buy" Sell "A1 AVG" [28-Jul-24 07:49 PM] xtc69#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1267282919433437225/image.png?ex=6814bf70&is=68136df0&hm=5fb2642163f6a6a723c7b81415d86d2002ed67b8fc8c962a476b68c9669bc9d8& [28-Jul-24 07:50 PM] finestone#0000 under EMpire CX [28-Jul-24 07:50 PM] xtc69#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1267283088577396839/image.png?ex=6814bf99&is=68136e19&hm=15e8f2766da19f5c50e81bd15fd4d13068a7e93fa0d3a4458f18d5d25f73f1b7& [28-Jul-24 07:50 PM] xtc69#0000 so under planet CX should be [28-Jul-24 07:50 PM] finestone#0000 Planet CX doesnt need to be set [28-Jul-24 07:50 PM] xtc69#0000 ight [28-Jul-24 07:51 PM] xtc69#0000 tyty [28-Jul-24 07:51 PM] finestone#0000 yeah just remember to change back and forth [28-Jul-24 07:51 PM] finestone#0000 as profits will be much higher on some items now and those margins **aren't** guranteed like when you have it set to sell sell [28-Jul-24 07:54 PM] xtc69#0000 aww i see and make sence lol [28-Jul-24 09:56 PM] xtc69#0000 so with my stock how do i refresh this part ? seems to be wrong or maybe not seeing somthing i changed the view as well for inv and not {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1267314799868383314/image.png?ex=6814dd21&is=68138ba1&hm=6689b2aba9f18ee1ad6d63b6ae773af316bfa82dda8c2188c7d127dd0e0c6919& [28-Jul-24 09:57 PM] tanda#0000 easiest way to use a supply cart would be to use the XIT Burn command from PMMG [28-Jul-24 09:57 PM] tanda#0000 I think that one updates on a lag, can be very frustrating if you've been actively moving things around [28-Jul-24 09:59 PM] finestone#0000 I dont use that i just manually calc off the Delta per day it gives [28-Jul-24 09:59 PM] xtc69#0000 whats the command from pmmg [28-Jul-24 09:59 PM] tanda#0000 xit burn "planetname" in a blank buffer [28-Jul-24 10:00 PM] xtc69#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1267315720446939249/image.png?ex=6814ddfd&is=68138c7d&hm=96d3e54f008dc41b3bbcb8b40562fc2eb0cfaaca4f1c04227dfa22d45f3fcdb4& [28-Jul-24 10:00 PM] tanda#0000 I also recommend finding a place in your screens to drop a "xit burn all" [28-Jul-24 10:01 PM] xtc69#0000 is it suppose to be green ? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1267315927695753238/image.png?ex=6814de2e&is=68138cae&hm=406553b59ee925b19133440dea86bdd8dd54cd4c4ca3e8a3f11ced19b255031c& [28-Jul-24 10:01 PM] xtc69#0000 oh plantname [28-Jul-24 10:01 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1267315968988938260/Screenshot_2024-07-28_200100.png?ex=6814de38&is=68138cb8&hm=db43220c58df051253567177f2e84b4632fd33d7723d9fec556bab43fedf50e6& [28-Jul-24 10:01 PM] tanda#0000 I forgot about the underscore, ngl [28-Jul-24 10:01 PM] xtc69#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1267316094759342170/image.png?ex=6814de56&is=68138cd6&hm=a795cb0dd6e267598047649097e7ef2799914bad27056802713dd9f78917e231& [28-Jul-24 10:02 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1267316234773594143/image.png?ex=6814de77&is=68138cf7&hm=a5bba5c0ff6c78cabb6ec85ca0ca04302a79895d6189d549fd5dfad4853a44ef& [28-Jul-24 10:02 PM] tanda#0000 Also you'll want to configure this in xit settings so burn will be more useful to your needs [28-Jul-24 10:06 PM] xtc69#0000 _DEIMOS {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1267317185345224835/image.png?ex=6814df5a&is=68138dda&hm=b21c9fd2efe78bfdc88f38be168ec2b643de9b49cdec3f1b1012afed55340247& [28-Jul-24 10:06 PM] xtc69#0000 so far got that to work [28-Jul-24 10:07 PM] tanda#0000 the way I have mine set up, it will turn red when under 5 days supply, yellow when under 15, and the "amt needed" column will be 15 days buffer on top of that [28-Jul-24 10:07 PM] tanda#0000 so my "amt needed" column shows me what I need to bulk back up to a 30 days supply [28-Jul-24 10:07 PM] xtc69#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1267317597204910142/image.png?ex=6814dfbc&is=68138e3c&hm=118b3c78093077db9990fa7fd1ba046ba5d61072a23c3f294a525142b52a3e25& [28-Jul-24 10:07 PM] xtc69#0000 aww i see [28-Jul-24 10:08 PM] xtc69#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1267317693061791854/image.png?ex=6814dfd3&is=68138e53&hm=03fd4bde09f3efe9aa4c113552bc33e0585145be277cb0f2f7c8a433156eac63& [28-Jul-24 10:08 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, those are not realistic quite yet. you might try setting it to 2 5 10 [28-Jul-24 10:09 PM] xtc69#0000 might be able to {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1267317998000275486/image.png?ex=6814e01c&is=68138e9c&hm=f933f6d695e5dc7c11dd4e517d880277f81fbdbedda99a1dbadf068e981d4e9c& [29-Jul-24 05:26 PM] xtc69#0000 Should i be selling just my AL and overflow of ALO ? [29-Jul-24 05:30 PM] finestone#0000 I would reccomend selling your excess ALO [29-Jul-24 07:36 PM] tanda#0000 to me pls and thank you [29-Jul-24 07:53 PM] finestone#0000 would you also be interested in any TIO? [29-Jul-24 07:56 PM] tanda#0000 I don't have a path for TIO or TI usage currently. About the only thing I can do after I smelt it is sell it [29-Jul-24 07:57 PM] jcheung#0000 i might be in a month or so... [29-Jul-24 07:57 PM] finestone#0000 Im just going have alot of excess TIO here soon before i can get my smelter base maxed out [29-Jul-24 07:58 PM] finestone#0000 doesnt really matter to me ill be selling TI and TIO on CX [29-Jul-24 07:59 PM] finestone#0000 TIO or TI or both [29-Jul-24 08:00 PM] jcheung#0000 possibly both, not certain. i have some loose plans but it relies on some things going well in the near future [29-Jul-24 08:01 PM] finestone#0000 Understood well let me know! Ill probably end up posting in Internel offers once everything up and running so look there! [29-Jul-24 08:02 PM] finestone#0000 after that i have a software setup so im planned up for a bit ๐Ÿ˜„ [29-Jul-24 08:04 PM] tanda#0000 about the only thing I could really think to do with TI would be to start feeding an ASM to make AST and FET [29-Jul-24 08:04 PM] tanda#0000 which I've looked at before, but kinda dismissed [29-Jul-24 08:06 PM] finestone#0000 Interesting I currently only have plans to sell the TI [29-Jul-24 08:07 PM] finestone#0000 Then SD for (SAL/LD) then maybe AML for TAI processing and producing SC [29-Jul-24 08:07 PM] jcheung#0000 fet was on my radar ๐Ÿ˜… [29-Jul-24 08:08 PM] jcheung#0000 gonna be expensive as shit tho [29-Jul-24 08:29 PM] finestone#0000 I did think of producing SEQ but don't really think demand is there [29-Jul-24 09:00 PM] finestone#0000 @tanda any thoughts on those future outputs? [29-Jul-24 09:16 PM] tanda#0000 unfortunately my experience does not include AML and most SD products [29-Jul-24 09:16 PM] tanda#0000 but I think unless you had a dedicated supply contract with someone to buy your outputs you might struggle to sell some of those [29-Jul-24 09:16 PM] tanda#0000 except SC [29-Jul-24 09:17 PM] finestone#0000 I have a buyer for the SAL/LD [29-Jul-24 09:17 PM] tanda#0000 and I honestly couldn't say regarding SEQ at all, that is a question best directed at a governor, like maybe Rise [29-Jul-24 09:17 PM] finestone#0000 understood thanks! [29-Jul-24 09:18 PM] tanda#0000 no problem [29-Jul-24 09:18 PM] finestone#0000 are there any pros to being governer? [29-Jul-24 09:18 PM] tanda#0000 you have chores and people rely on you? [29-Jul-24 09:18 PM] jcheung#0000 you can open up new areas [29-Jul-24 09:19 PM] jcheung#0000 ....and an angry mob to pacify [29-Jul-24 09:19 PM] tanda#0000 governing a true start up planet seems nice [29-Jul-24 09:19 PM] tanda#0000 not managing something like Deimos or Nike, though [29-Jul-24 09:19 PM] jcheung#0000 i want to do some [29-Jul-24 09:19 PM] jcheung#0000 but idk how well it'll go [29-Jul-24 09:19 PM] jcheung#0000 i've made myself a goal though [29-Jul-24 09:19 PM] jcheung#0000 build warehouses on every single planet in ANT space [29-Jul-24 09:20 PM] jcheung#0000 ....i bet it'll end catestrophically [29-Jul-24 09:20 PM] tanda#0000 that's a stable thing to do, just going to need a LOT of Bfabs [29-Jul-24 09:20 PM] finestone#0000 is planet upkeep shared communally or is that a govener thing [29-Jul-24 09:21 PM] jcheung#0000 gov is responsible but community can contribute [29-Jul-24 09:21 PM] tanda#0000 technically shared communally, but most of the time MPs and governors handle it [29-Jul-24 09:22 PM] finestone#0000 cool thanks [29-Jul-24 09:22 PM] jcheung#0000 yeah, people here have projects to make bfabs and lower prices, meanwhile i'm planning on just sinking some into the void ๐Ÿ˜‚ [29-Jul-24 09:23 PM] tanda#0000 I want to do some over at KI-401d [29-Jul-24 09:23 PM] tanda#0000 need to get it up to the 4 warehouse per person level [29-Jul-24 09:23 PM] tanda#0000 and my only suggestion would be to prioritize usable planets first, lol [29-Jul-24 09:23 PM] tanda#0000 not the triple red gas giant with no resources [29-Jul-24 09:24 PM] jcheung#0000 401 ๐Ÿค” [29-Jul-24 09:25 PM] jcheung#0000 i was thinking 816D myself [29-Jul-24 09:25 PM] jcheung#0000 with SME on 816C [29-Jul-24 09:27 PM] tanda#0000 I mostly need 401d's warehouse upgraded so it's easier to transport AR out [29-Jul-24 09:28 PM] jcheung#0000 oh, you mean for warehouses [29-Jul-24 09:28 PM] jcheung#0000 yeah, i'm not getting started for a while to come ๐Ÿ˜‚ [29-Jul-24 09:30 PM] tanda#0000 governership is not something I'm intensely considering [29-Jul-24 09:30 PM] tanda#0000 my next step is probably to do a HYF base in SE-110 [30-Jul-24 05:03 PM] finestone#0000 Are pop updates weekly? [30-Jul-24 05:13 PM] .shiva.#0000 yeah, if you look at the `POPR` for a planet, you'll see how long it is until the update: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1267968280262348872/image.png?ex=68149abb&is=6813493b&hm=f0daf99ec73e54e6ab93bb68413d103de0152a7ec6556fbfbdfd712dae9ef1c1& [30-Jul-24 05:13 PM] .shiva.#0000 so Deimos will update in ~10hrs [30-Jul-24 05:19 PM] finestone#0000 ahh i see sad my new colony missed pop update by 3 hours [30-Jul-24 05:19 PM] finestone#0000 Guess im waiting till next week ๐Ÿ˜„ [30-Jul-24 05:20 PM] finestone#0000 Thanks! [30-Jul-24 05:53 PM] xtc69#0000 so my Ext says going to take 11hrs and 20m but on here says 12 hrs and 42min {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1267978455631270008/image.png?ex=6814a435&is=681352b5&hm=2880fbdbff3ab961106334d8c3820f3d92db165b804ad47c5a6a6779b0c8d5b5& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1267978455853826180/image.png?ex=6814a435&is=681352b5&hm=a65a31f05c4b68119b1bd1d3f47b13ffc9737ff8e215d80fd187e2e1944bd23d& [30-Jul-24 05:55 PM] finestone#0000 there is an effecieny that is off. [30-Jul-24 05:55 PM] finestone#0000 you have Corp HQ checked [30-Jul-24 05:55 PM] xtc69#0000 oh i know what it is NM [30-Jul-24 05:55 PM] finestone#0000 you are not in a Corp so uncheck that [30-Jul-24 05:55 PM] xtc69#0000 and plus i do not have my COF in inv yet {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1267979032260251648/image.png?ex=6814a4bf&is=6813533f&hm=11d56482fba1fc070eab772a155b3eb061431b44b465af271f42f82fff03d9b8& [30-Jul-24 05:56 PM] xtc69#0000 missing that o make that a little bit more eff {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1267979086525894656/image.png?ex=6814a4cc&is=6813534c&hm=be4e79735597eb88bd525a097b89505fbbbecc11090bf67b2063d409fc76d39d& [30-Jul-24 05:56 PM] finestone#0000 yepp so those two things are throwing the #'s off [30-Jul-24 05:56 PM] xtc69#0000 yep tyty ๐Ÿ™‚ [30-Jul-24 05:56 PM] xtc69#0000 i forgot about COF [30-Jul-24 05:56 PM] xtc69#0000 i mean PWO [30-Jul-24 05:56 PM] xtc69#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1267979231632162897/image.png?ex=6814a4ee&is=6813536e&hm=3b43a64dee0ca9519d0e0b843baf15d8961307f75c2e0c6878c96da534e2d379& [31-Jul-24 10:49 PM] finestone#0000 Does anyone know if i will still get contracts from ANT NPC after i move HQ to non faction space? {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [01-Aug-24 12:09 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah you should always [01-Aug-24 12:31 AM] jcheung#0000 Unless you don't accept or reject the old ones [01-Aug-24 01:08 AM] finestone#0000 10/4 thanks [01-Aug-24 07:19 AM] tanda#0000 I finally turned mine off entirely [02-Aug-24 12:50 AM] xtc69#0000 What is a WCB kit ? [02-Aug-24 12:53 AM] jcheung#0000 ship upgrade [02-Aug-24 12:55 AM] jvaler#0000 the WCB item is the 3000t/1000m^3 cargo bay itself, but we use "kit" to refer to all the items required to upgrade a starter ship into a ship that uses said WCB cargo bay. [02-Aug-24 01:06 AM] xtc69#0000 Would be nice to have can I join or I gota join the corp first ๐Ÿค” [02-Aug-24 01:06 AM] xtc69#0000 Does anyone play on the phone with this game ? Seems kinda hard to or just weird to get used to lol [02-Aug-24 01:09 AM] jcheung#0000 Phone is really a companion app, not how it should be played [02-Aug-24 01:14 AM] xtc69#0000 Is there a app or just website [02-Aug-24 01:14 AM] xtc69#0000 @jcheung [02-Aug-24 01:42 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Just a mobile website [02-Aug-24 02:04 AM] jvaler#0000 join what? WKP? that's not accepting any new participants at the moment sorry :( that program is kinda a disaster {Reactions} Whaaaaat (3) [02-Aug-24 02:28 AM] razenpok#0000 What's happened? [02-Aug-24 09:00 AM] jcheung#0000 Aww. Was hoping to hop on that [02-Aug-24 09:34 AM] jvaler#0000 yeah the wait times are just too long for this many people [02-Aug-24 09:35 AM] akyantor#0000 I wouldn't say it's a disaster if that's the reason. It's made the upgrades more accessible to folks who may otherwise have waited as it feels a bit more complicated sourcing them outside the ADI community. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [02-Aug-24 09:36 AM] jvaler#0000 these technically are sourced from outside ADI lol [02-Aug-24 09:36 AM] akyantor#0000 Yeah, but not to the end recipients, they're working with folks they know from within ADI [02-Aug-24 09:36 AM] jvaler#0000 it would have been so much simpler for me to just give people loans to buy the kits themselves [02-Aug-24 10:18 AM] igfloz#0000 awww, I really have benefited from just 1 WCB, I agree with Akyan - be sad to see it dropped for others [02-Aug-24 11:48 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Anywho peep the HAL leader boardโ€ฆ I dropped down bc I made too much and didnโ€™t ship it away {Reactions} ๐Ÿค” [02-Aug-24 01:22 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Once KAWA is caught up on our current queue we might be able to help... [02-Aug-24 02:18 PM] xtc69#0000 why is it a disaster lol [03-Aug-24 07:23 AM] evany.#0000 Your getting pounced on jvaler but itโ€™s been my experience that anything ship wise has taken three weeks longer to source than the expected 2+ weeks to source, it seems like ships are just generally hard as hell to get your hands on [03-Aug-24 07:24 AM] evany.#0000 In that respect I think your the only person surprised or feels it underperforming, I donโ€™t obviously like having to order things five or six weeks early, but having done it three times now, it seems to be the norm [03-Aug-24 01:12 PM] jvaler#0000 yeah that perspective seems about right actually [03-Aug-24 01:13 PM] jvaler#0000 but that makes me think energy would be better spent working on in-house prod instead of managing all this finance and contract bs [03-Aug-24 01:18 PM] tanda#0000 hey, Rise volunteered a couple SKFs if we can sort out production, and sidepipe's on board to finance [03-Aug-24 01:18 PM] tanda#0000 past experience with CULT activity though shows that we generally wind up a couple people short [03-Aug-24 01:43 PM] jcheung#0000 I'm down to put down a lot of stuff on vulcan [03-Aug-24 01:44 PM] jcheung#0000 Rise has teased me a couple times with an ASM build but hasn't gotten around to it :p [03-Aug-24 01:45 PM] jcheung#0000 Been thinking about just building it myself, but i need a lot more funds first [03-Aug-24 01:45 PM] tanda#0000 take a look at my current workshopping idea:https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1246543290854146058/1268908152666198077 [03-Aug-24 02:04 PM] jvaler#0000 now that the ads are remade hopefully we'll have more players lying around :P [03-Aug-24 02:05 PM] tanda#0000 that would be very nice [03-Aug-24 02:38 PM] realharvey#0000 I was thinking about creating a ADI-Shipproject [03-Aug-24 02:38 PM] realharvey#0000 but oh boy is that alot to manage [03-Aug-24 02:41 PM] tanda#0000 honestly I gave up after looking at what it costs to do LFE. Literally just told myself to do something more attainable like WCB production [03-Aug-24 02:42 PM] jcheung#0000 Well. I think it wouldn't be too bad if the goal is to just get a line running, period. Ignore the inefficiencies from not running at 100% at the start. [03-Aug-24 02:43 PM] jcheung#0000 Also i think we could probably get started by seeing if rise would be available to integrate his fabs [03-Aug-24 02:44 PM] jcheung#0000 And if yes, then start off by negotiating about filling things he's short on to have higher fab uptime-i know FET is one of his items needed, for example, but he also has a price structure that doesn't look at the CX [03-Aug-24 02:45 PM] realharvey#0000 its not about the price at all [03-Aug-24 02:45 PM] realharvey#0000 its just so many items you have to handle [03-Aug-24 02:45 PM] realharvey#0000 since nothing can really be supplied from cx in enoug quantity [03-Aug-24 02:47 PM] jcheung#0000 Sure [03-Aug-24 02:49 PM] jcheung#0000 I think you could still get started with smaller projects that involve filling the gaps in rise's capabilities, and then once that's filled, to move on to the next higher assembly [03-Aug-24 03:02 PM] marat_sh#0000 how about filling up CX with intermediate first? Yeah there will be no sales but it will help to stockpile some components when project starts moving [03-Aug-24 03:07 PM] tanda#0000 honestly I only brought up making WCBs in house because jvaler expressed that doing these contracts was a huge hassle [03-Aug-24 03:07 PM] tanda#0000 it's still a huge hassle to do them in house, but only during initial setup [03-Aug-24 03:50 PM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 I'd be very interested in helping in anyway that could on a shipbuilding project [03-Aug-24 03:52 PM] realharvey#0000 if we cant really sell it, we'll have running costs but no profit. Not sure how long we can sustain it [03-Aug-24 03:55 PM] marat_sh#0000 Maybe Government can step in and buy them? [03-Aug-24 03:56 PM] realharvey#0000 rise probably could [03-Aug-24 03:56 PM] marat_sh#0000 overwise it has to be at the loss for a while until market can afford buying it [03-Aug-24 03:56 PM] realharvey#0000 if no one takes it we are talking about 3-5 weeks at a loss [03-Aug-24 03:58 PM] realharvey#0000 or even longer [03-Aug-24 03:58 PM] xtc69#0000 is there one for production flow on PMMG {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1269399127561605120/image.png?ex=68148950&is=681337d0&hm=3b73395dce2940addb07b9c631a2393802b747f64e12906c691784a5d73e2877& [03-Aug-24 03:59 PM] realharvey#0000 what do yu mean by production flow? [03-Aug-24 03:59 PM] xtc69#0000 where i can see how much mats i need kinda like on planner [03-Aug-24 03:59 PM] xtc69#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1269399328686997656/image.png?ex=68148980&is=68133800&hm=7e9193737039c9e6194fb5ee40fee51ba6f24c664d9ce0b8d8c4a3a5373db04e& [03-Aug-24 03:59 PM] realharvey#0000 there is amount needed [03-Aug-24 03:59 PM] xtc69#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1269399362778300446/image.png?ex=68148988&is=68133808&hm=2b485ad6ed488d43fb2749f3afddb1562482a42fc9f3d439969e1d76e5921b0c& [03-Aug-24 04:00 PM] realharvey#0000 you can set the number to how much days in the settings in pmmg [03-Aug-24 04:01 PM] xtc69#0000 for the production ? [03-Aug-24 04:02 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 this has been an ongoing discussion and a big part of the complications trying to start a full shipbuilding operation in KAWA. We started by building the bases that could produce profitable outputs right away. Like building a full base of PPFs but starting them out on just PSL during the CX spike ยฏ\_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ selling off those things funded the rest of the bases until we recently finally started producing full ships. We're still at way less than the full capacity planned, but now we can sell full ships slowly to fund even more growth to fill out the production chain. It was way trickier to plan that expected but a fun puzzle [03-Aug-24 04:03 PM] realharvey#0000 how long did it take you to get it rolling? [03-Aug-24 04:04 PM] realharvey#0000 and how many bases are involved? [03-Aug-24 04:04 PM] realharvey#0000 once your production went for a few cycles it will also show the required ressources for those [03-Aug-24 04:06 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 we started planning for the project back in February after Carcissia stopped playing (they ran 33 bases making full ships for KAWA by themselves...) First bases went up maybe a month later, capacity to build full ships (only technically and very slowly) hit almost a month ago [03-Aug-24 04:06 PM] xtc69#0000 been couople days trying to get this {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1269401054643228682/image.png?ex=68148b1b&is=6813399b&hm=d939d8998c9c8fb6e58bf2931e9d6c1f9abf03da6ea8384f73f508d18c66050f& [03-Aug-24 04:06 PM] xtc69#0000 that was the website on PMMG [03-Aug-24 04:08 PM] finestone#0000 Is Que always capped at 5 for production. I have more than 5 buildings so somewhat annoying any way around this? [03-Aug-24 04:13 PM] razenpok#0000 I read it with this voice in my head lmao https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zpxgyG7eGk {Embed} SlumpWumper https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zpxgyG7eGk A lot of damage Now thats a lot of damage https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/NbNJMFBl7lJEC6Sjf7aBzaW3wzuGVu5nsvfY6T29N-4/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/7zpxgyG7eGk/maxresdefault.jpg [03-Aug-24 04:13 PM] realharvey#0000 Hahaha [03-Aug-24 04:13 PM] realharvey#0000 Good meme checks out [03-Aug-24 04:17 PM] tanda#0000 You have pro, right? you can always set jobs to be recurring [03-Aug-24 04:18 PM] tanda#0000 if you're back on basic, you can always increase the size of the job, or upgrade your HQ to gain access to more queue slots [03-Aug-24 04:18 PM] finestone#0000 HQ upgrades increase que slots ๐Ÿ˜ฎ thanks no im still on pro and understand reaccuring was just curious thanks for the info! [03-Aug-24 04:19 PM] tanda#0000 no problem! [03-Aug-24 04:19 PM] tanda#0000 @xtc69 what are you trying to accomplish with XIT Burn? [03-Aug-24 04:23 PM] xtc69#0000 for the Production line not my workforce line [03-Aug-24 04:24 PM] xtc69#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1269405437724459008/image.png?ex=68148f30&is=68133db0&hm=54bfbba3cf33a81ad8babb12d64b9d13a7ca7df08c7a8a56e41a8d66f1108baf& [03-Aug-24 04:24 PM] xtc69#0000 for some reason my inventory and enhanced burn seem to not notice production line stuff so looking around [03-Aug-24 04:24 PM] tanda#0000 oh! that's interesting [03-Aug-24 04:24 PM] xtc69#0000 the 2 are not sowing up {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1269405623007580201/image.png?ex=68148f5c&is=68133ddc&hm=3c94251db662e06eb85e71f6939b2de1737a00519b7da0521e247bb3d27444f2& [03-Aug-24 04:26 PM] tanda#0000 go to xit settings and make sure this setting is on: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1269405986389622939/image.png?ex=68148fb3&is=68133e33&hm=1aa6f770b20f8bd5dbda5363a5b73a53b8d334f5b6fe24ff37e2634fb6c4d66e& [03-Aug-24 04:26 PM] tanda#0000 if it is on, trying toggling it off, refreshing and then toggle it back on again and refresh again [03-Aug-24 04:27 PM] xtc69#0000 did that ๐Ÿ™‚ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1269406309590106142/image.png?ex=68149000&is=68133e80&hm=150b953f11142f295c110348f730189ceebad4ca962e13952c3d0e7e8320bcb1& [03-Aug-24 04:27 PM] razenpok#0000 Try opening the BS screen and then press view base [03-Aug-24 04:27 PM] razenpok#0000 Then refresh the xit burn buffer [03-Aug-24 04:27 PM] xtc69#0000 got it [03-Aug-24 04:28 PM] xtc69#0000 i delete it and added bakc on [03-Aug-24 04:28 PM] xtc69#0000 back* [03-Aug-24 04:28 PM] xtc69#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1269406540402528381/image.png?ex=68149037&is=68133eb7&hm=4db8251ee5bb90bb41e40634199387e34e921e8fc7ea04cccf794bc3c4388b4f& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [03-Aug-24 04:28 PM] tanda#0000 there we go! glad we got you sorted [03-Aug-24 04:29 PM] xtc69#0000 needed to make my own ๐Ÿ™‚ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1269406878954160149/image.png?ex=68149088&is=68133f08&hm=31f0a1bb95f94ffd1ae9f8b71234d2c65be0f44bae9161157b0801b7da9b293d& [03-Aug-24 04:34 PM] igfloz#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1269407979371892778/image.png?ex=6814918e&is=6813400e&hm=d09c5348b9396f3a87d6693730dfd16dfaf0cf9c651169e4404b5e5ddbbdbb49& [03-Aug-24 04:34 PM] igfloz#0000 This is what I have so far - dunno what I'm gonna do when I have 20 bases , lol [03-Aug-24 04:34 PM] razenpok#0000 Why both WF and BURN :concern: [03-Aug-24 04:35 PM] igfloz#0000 it's what I did, but I also have a burn all screen that just flags when I need stuff [03-Aug-24 04:35 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1269408391420444895/Screenshot_2024-08-03_143531.png?ex=681491f0&is=68134070&hm=bb548ba8be4d6635e6e4404188fe9419c8fb7c09098b9fe14103b8a905c50348& [03-Aug-24 04:35 PM] igfloz#0000 I'll prob end up ditching the WF burn [03-Aug-24 04:35 PM] tanda#0000 my start screen is my "This stuff is needed now" screen [03-Aug-24 04:36 PM] igfloz#0000 Thats's pretty clean, I like that [03-Aug-24 04:37 PM] razenpok#0000 Mine is more trade-ish one {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1269408724494319737/image.png?ex=68149240&is=681340c0&hm=d9a686914c10eceaddaede65fb90c424a3e88ec5069464d01d919c6c655c8fed& [03-Aug-24 04:37 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Wow my screens are heinous [03-Aug-24 04:38 PM] igfloz#0000 lol, I have a whole screen that is the same as @tanda 's Top centre buffer [03-Aug-24 04:39 PM] tanda#0000 These are my screens, as best as I can get them [03-Aug-24 04:39 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1269409299101384744/Screenshot_2024-08-03_143754.png?ex=681492c9&is=68134149&hm=ed4a2a7cd782179157ab4889c201bcc43af4354c290eff4a790e5de2295b0e6f& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1269409299935789197/Screenshot_2024-08-03_143802.png?ex=681492c9&is=68134149&hm=24340b1b2e93163d411c052fd10ef2b8eb52719dd936affe00322a40151bd594& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1269409300703608960/Screenshot_2024-08-03_143810.png?ex=681492c9&is=68134149&hm=c1e5944d23ec974a0dfd667ca07d1e55c2c6b2c3ad306116b1415ffa63d9090d& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1269409301319909477/Screenshot_2024-08-03_143820.png?ex=681492c9&is=68134149&hm=6b617f3d2be7ce130fe6d23ac995a930b4f8843d687f261c28fcdeb3be1214bd& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1269409302024818898/Screenshot_2024-08-03_143830.png?ex=681492ca&is=6813414a&hm=7b68598ba54f82f2288b2eed128ff440e02f2442a669f402a4cec900adf95063& {Reactions} blobjustright [03-Aug-24 04:39 PM] tanda#0000 they've been through a few revisions [03-Aug-24 04:42 PM] razenpok#0000 I decided to ditch production lines, they take up too much space {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1269410138763169822/image.png?ex=68149391&is=68134211&hm=9d02265f8c16caf005421dbab186b7e6c5f14b14962fb53601938b8b85c26b63& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1269410139430060163/image.png?ex=68149391&is=68134211&hm=1aa7aba19dbcdb2d3f71966b9c1d515510a5abf6683f7b0e6324e1445d2a8f8c& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1269410140004683860/image.png?ex=68149391&is=68134211&hm=d567247556627f0218ec52b20a37fc133e885e5719159735fc753f16706d6df4& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1269410140487159903/image.png?ex=68149391&is=68134211&hm=6c0eb95f63c09c9b18746a317bfd81e77cc0bbfeb1d45e1dffe4a372a95644a4& [03-Aug-24 04:44 PM] tanda#0000 I'm honestly not entirely sure why I still have them there, but they're not hugely in the way [03-Aug-24 04:46 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I've got one like this for every base: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1269411150932742344/image.png?ex=68149482&is=68134302&hm=7e2dead748f7d1ffc531d0293a826917e12627c7a72cf0487f982dee4785e246& [03-Aug-24 04:47 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 and something like this for every CX: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1269411241600749628/image.png?ex=68149498&is=68134318&hm=c5785ec1796fefb34b64689b083a5c522da48de7934b822851b12e3a30a985ff& [03-Aug-24 04:47 PM] igfloz#0000 Yes , I have similar for all of my bases [03-Aug-24 04:47 PM] razenpok#0000 Oh god, 25% of the screen is PROD :blobdead: [03-Aug-24 04:47 PM] razenpok#0000 You murderer of real estate [03-Aug-24 04:48 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 the tiles tucked away to either side of the CXOS/FLT area are WH (for adding units when needed) and FXPO (for exchanging CIS for whatever currency the CX is) [03-Aug-24 04:49 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 ๐Ÿ˜† only for prox. Most of my bases are just new order tiles there. And that one I've been meaning to get rid of to extend the workforce tile but I'm lazy [03-Aug-24 04:49 PM] razenpok#0000 How many screens do you have? [03-Aug-24 04:49 PM] igfloz#0000 errr, I'm up to 17 {Reactions} eyes [03-Aug-24 04:51 PM] razenpok#0000 I only really use the non-crossed ones {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1269412300935139348/image.png?ex=68149595&is=68134415&hm=36b9b80a6dc98e863e058cb8bc47665f0bdf0a123cbedb40190c17b53b5ba855& [03-Aug-24 04:52 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 when I was at 14 bases, I had 23: - 14 for bases - 4 for CXs - landing screen with some basic info at load up - contract screen with LMOS and CONTS/COND and stuff - a screen for government stuff - an almost full page map screen with PLI and some empty tiles down one side for research - and this beauty: burn ๐Ÿ”ฅ (it had more before I started downsizing...) {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1269412605517107200/image.png?ex=681495dd&is=6813445d&hm=47e843438c30fd996ae99b4f21a45b8e0c9226ff36f22ef5fb7469fa4642ec98& {Reactions} blobjustright [03-Aug-24 04:56 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 in the last couple months I probably spent 80% of my time in-game on just that screen... just burn tiles and inventory tiles for my main hubs. Then I've got FLT and INV buttons on the left bar as well so I could basically run everything from this screen except LM/CX trading [03-Aug-24 04:57 PM] razenpok#0000 I find it fascinating that everyone is building out their own UI workflow in this game [03-Aug-24 04:58 PM] tanda#0000 it's definitely interesting to see so many different solutions to the same problems [03-Aug-24 04:58 PM] tanda#0000 and then new problems like multiCX empires and how people adapt their UI to deal with them {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† (2) [03-Aug-24 05:03 PM] xtc69#0000 is there a way to send that setup to me looks better then mine lol [03-Aug-24 05:04 PM] xtc69#0000 why you started to down size or you move up the chain per say [03-Aug-24 05:05 PM] xtc69#0000 only one 1 base and already doing that lol [03-Aug-24 05:10 PM] tanda#0000 I will probably remain strictly ANT, there's enough to do here [03-Aug-24 07:16 PM] xtc69#0000 how this looking [03-Aug-24 07:17 PM] xtc69#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1269448977066098819/image.png?ex=6814b7bd&is=6813663d&hm=2d277618637c91040623aa7aa2c3e9bd4889a538003d1c54dc23e2f50ed2f45b& [03-Aug-24 07:18 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1269449389621903381/image.png?ex=6814b81f&is=6813669f&hm=416e07f3f7871f7cce633a45af8f7589324782d0f53c7a98e64104d1b124eb2e& [03-Aug-24 07:18 PM] tanda#0000 I always love me some graphs [03-Aug-24 07:21 PM] crazy_capybara.#0000 damn even got a pie chart in there ๐Ÿ˜‚ [03-Aug-24 07:22 PM] xtc69#0000 how you get graphs ? [03-Aug-24 07:22 PM] tanda#0000 there's PMMG commands for it [03-Aug-24 07:23 PM] tanda#0000 look at the top of those windows [03-Aug-24 07:23 PM] crazy_capybara.#0000 my colonist are lucky if they even get caffeine ๐Ÿ˜ฌ [03-Aug-24 07:35 PM] marat_sh#0000 that is a lot of expenses ๐Ÿ‘€ [03-Aug-24 08:05 PM] tanda#0000 sure is! [03-Aug-24 08:13 PM] jvaler#0000 ooh this is cool! i'm stealing this for my forever "to be determined" screen lmfao {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1269463243982770316/image.png?ex=6814c506&is=68137386&hm=8cf42f7d00ef67614412f983d4c10a66404ee90b60caf6ec0a48146427eafa09& [03-Aug-24 08:34 PM] tanda#0000 nice! glad you liked it enough to use it [03-Aug-24 08:48 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 real life is kicking my ass a bit ๐Ÿ˜… so I'm shutting down all but one of my bases to reduce the daily tasks needed to keep up my empire. Now I do more project coordinating, trading, and corp funding management. Instead of producing things, I just throw money at other people to produce it, lol. I like the social elements of this game a lot though. So I just cut out the things that were burning me out and instead do more of the stuff I like while also reducing commitment to the game that I can't really affort atm ยฏ\_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ {Reactions} ๐Ÿซก [03-Aug-24 09:06 PM] xtc69#0000 haha i see [03-Aug-24 11:42 PM] marat_sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1269515833718079508/image.png?ex=6814f601&is=6813a481&hm=817b0f2ebbc668ac30096ea8a7f1328b59b0d30490b4a8b10a7663ffc1153e78& [03-Aug-24 11:42 PM] marat_sh#0000 I need more underpayed workers [03-Aug-24 11:59 PM] tanda#0000 looks like you used up all the allocation pool that was available for you [03-Aug-24 11:59 PM] tanda#0000 you'll get the rest in a few days, lol [04-Aug-24 12:12 AM] marat_sh#0000 https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-but-i-want-it-now-gif-26307521 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-but-i-want-it-now-gif-26307521 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/MhMwzspgsMZeHzuQbOerU0_2eEzfj2Q9o_JpM-wa3Sc/https/media.tenor.com/L8HGsK2RVaMAAAAe/peter-griffin-but-i-want-it-now.png [04-Aug-24 12:13 AM] marat_sh#0000 I will get after report + from next allocation? [04-Aug-24 12:14 AM] tanda#0000 yeah, there's unemployment so that 137 should fill up on the next POPR {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [04-Aug-24 10:29 AM] crazy_capybara.#0000 im about to get my second smelter for my base and im starting to look into future production like welding, electronics or construction. Is there a current demand or need for a certain one these industries in AI space and around Antares station? [04-Aug-24 10:30 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Well you could do WEL and make LHP with AL or on Nike make a PP2 and make BFABs or LFABs [04-Aug-24 10:33 AM] crazy_capybara.#0000 cool, yeah construction FABS do sell for alot [04-Aug-24 10:33 AM] crazy_capybara.#0000 the only problem would be either mining limestone or buying it in [04-Aug-24 10:33 AM] crazy_capybara.#0000 i would need to have a look at the numbers [04-Aug-24 10:34 AM] crazy_capybara.#0000 oh yeah Nike the planet has tons of limestone [04-Aug-24 10:36 AM] crazy_capybara.#0000 LST isnt too expensive could supply it through market [04-Aug-24 12:05 PM] jvaler#0000 @Project Coordinator y'all can see this channel now, the perms were messed up for the longest time i'm so sorry ๐Ÿ˜ญ [04-Aug-24 12:05 PM] jvaler#0000 err, anyone who had coordinator role but not member role couldn't see it [04-Aug-24 12:06 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I finally earned my place out of an associate ๐Ÿพ [04-Aug-24 12:07 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 But I still don't see a reason for the distinction, we aren't doing anything secret here [04-Aug-24 12:07 PM] Deleted User#0000 Congratulations Coordinators! Let's see if we can get #staff-general next! [04-Aug-24 12:08 PM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/where-am-i-jack-black-jumanji-jumanji-movie-gif-11210112 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/where-am-i-jack-black-jumanji-jumanji-movie-gif-11210112 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/KAVPSbkbUeVMGUInlUv1AzSDg3bwGkpiwmQGaNENc1E/https/media.tenor.com/OZrrcPrBCrQAAAAe/where-am-i-jack-black.png [04-Aug-24 12:08 PM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/step-brothers-what-is-this-will-ferrell-whats-happening-confused-gif-13872085 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/step-brothers-what-is-this-will-ferrell-whats-happening-confused-gif-13872085 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/iJJlNBsHgG5yDmfYAaxuEBytE0FPO5YaNeukAYKVFCE/https/media.tenor.com/SKJZ2NQdtGAAAAAe/step-brothers-what-is-this.png [04-Aug-24 12:08 PM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/eric-andre-let-me-out-gif-18252480 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/eric-andre-let-me-out-gif-18252480 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/c_txLVD3qZbN2bdvAUrzWmi019B7p4nCu1ThdvHy7gc/https/media.tenor.com/KDHrWL7gMgsAAAAe/eric-andre.png [04-Aug-24 12:09 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/603303568317087798/1185760568137748500/tumblr_73894f23820098f41b68a268ee2799e8_6e1ed6f6_640.gif?ex=6590c895&is=657e5395&hm=e365450408ebcc86e57baeb06c88e7a5b0032de1c968d968e93ee421a7e5aae6& {Embed} https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/603303568317087798/1185760568137748500/tumblr_73894f23820098f41b68a268ee2799e8_6e1ed6f6_640.gif?ex=6590c895&is=657e5395&hm=e365450408ebcc86e57baeb06c88e7a5b0032de1c968d968e93ee421a7e5aae6& https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/603303568317087798/1185760568137748500/tumblr_73894f23820098f41b68a268ee2799e8_6e1ed6f6_640.gif?ex=6814cd55&is=68137bd5&hm=ffce6699b330f46bf1525186fdf540837c515a596777a322f3fcbb6cb2b8e022& [04-Aug-24 12:13 PM] riseoffilth#0000 https://tenor.com/view/jump-around-jumping-cheer-crowd-fans-gif-13720688 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/jump-around-jumping-cheer-crowd-fans-gif-13720688 Jump Around https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/SJgZebwxtQ3Bx4yWlP1pXc-kD1RMl_g9cufkFozbWF8/https/media.tenor.com/Mm1RKvujzF4AAAAe/jump-around-jumping.png [04-Aug-24 01:16 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 *yet {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [04-Aug-24 02:24 PM] jcheung#0000 You want to get no access? Weird ๐Ÿ˜œ [04-Aug-24 02:30 PM] jvaler#0000 coordinator role has it's own super duper secret channel that gets used ALL the time. oh, you sure are missing out [04-Aug-24 02:31 PM] jcheung#0000 Mmmmmhmmmmm [04-Aug-24 02:31 PM] jcheung#0000 Suuuure [04-Aug-24 02:34 PM] sidepipe#0000 How much do we coordinators need to donate to get every channel? ๐Ÿ˜„ [04-Aug-24 02:40 PM] jvaler#0000 mm you'd need to donate me 1 CMK to get access to the admin bot log channel {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† [07-Aug-24 01:42 PM] xtc69#0000 is there a way to make this game lightmode ? [07-Aug-24 01:44 PM] evany.#0000 i don't believe so [07-Aug-24 01:46 PM] tanda#0000 a quick look through both PMMG and base settings shows there's no light mode setting [08-Aug-24 05:49 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Most people donโ€™t like light mode [08-Aug-24 05:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I guess? [08-Aug-24 05:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 So they just have only a dark mode? lol idk [08-Aug-24 05:55 PM] jcheung#0000 There's an app called 'darkreader' [08-Aug-24 05:55 PM] jcheung#0000 It has a light mode [08-Aug-24 05:57 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1271240881885941852/Screenshot_20240808_185703_TeamViewer.jpg?ex=6814a514&is=68135394&hm=5dfe93e4e9e80640ee25651b16e9ff68e20ca021b502849bddfddcd0086629b3& [08-Aug-24 05:57 PM] jcheung#0000 Don't look so good [08-Aug-24 05:57 PM] jcheung#0000 Idk. Maybe might be able to tune it [08-Aug-24 06:00 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 >dark reader >look inside >light [08-Aug-24 06:00 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1271241780892926045/iu.png?ex=6814a5eb&is=6813546b&hm=d927907c0d821a7ae86853cd8d9fe5b856d233b2f7ca2b28140bfb5d4177053d& [08-Aug-24 06:01 PM] jcheung#0000 It hurt me to subvert it [08-Aug-24 06:01 PM] jcheung#0000 Physically so [08-Aug-24 06:02 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I like that it looks a bit like paper [08-Aug-24 06:02 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 That's a fun vibe for a space economy sim [08-Aug-24 06:05 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 I wonder if there's a thing like that for all the themes I hear about in the context of linux customization and nowhere else [08-Aug-24 06:05 PM] histidinedwarf#0000 gruvbox reader [08-Aug-24 06:09 PM] finestone#0000 https://tenor.com/bGSeB.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/flashbang-gif-22572243 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/vLazDj9EnXVXlCPM5W3vfiXWDwShHdfD65k0ssolP6w/https/media.tenor.com/XEiOi9xw07cAAAAe/flashbang.png [08-Aug-24 06:12 PM] tanda#0000 flashbang [08-Aug-24 07:17 PM] jvaler#0000 white screen bug [08-Aug-24 10:34 PM] nyanism#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1271310718553034886/weridbears.gif?ex=6814e61f&is=6813949f&hm=ef3f4208a677400197a0581059ff9d7a610a36f9ff3c7c4d72e4242385cb6fb4& [09-Aug-24 09:05 PM] xtc69#0000 question how do you get a updated PrunPlanner for my inv ? is there a way to ping api ? [09-Aug-24 09:06 PM] jcheung#0000 fio [09-Aug-24 09:07 PM] xtc69#0000 yeah fio is on to [09-Aug-24 09:07 PM] jcheung#0000 get API from https://fio.fnar.net/settings paste here https://prunplanner.org/profile [09-Aug-24 09:08 PM] xtc69#0000 yeah did that [09-Aug-24 09:08 PM] xtc69#0000 not sure how to refresh {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1271651376635711592/image.png?ex=6814d1e2&is=68138062&hm=f6be1974e8ee9c86144ede9fab27b47e28bf4221b88aeec35fa09201cb1d4cbd& [09-Aug-24 09:08 PM] xtc69#0000 or just push the X ? [09-Aug-24 09:09 PM] jcheung#0000 no [09-Aug-24 09:09 PM] jcheung#0000 double check you're logged in to FIO [09-Aug-24 09:09 PM] jcheung#0000 in the plugin [09-Aug-24 09:09 PM] xtc69#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1271651620412850186/image.png?ex=6814d21c&is=6813809c&hm=1d0252559a988c530d445bb9a9a2bbecb1325b7aa9ee274e9d555d67d7ad90ed& [09-Aug-24 09:09 PM] jcheung#0000 not there [09-Aug-24 09:09 PM] xtc69#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1271651639786213426/image.png?ex=6814d221&is=681380a1&hm=bf1283d88ce4b9422ed44ced8ad9346abdb92a6faf3d779211be5cc025e43be8& [09-Aug-24 09:09 PM] jcheung#0000 okay, that [09-Aug-24 09:09 PM] jcheung#0000 on the web page, is your stuff up to date? [09-Aug-24 09:10 PM] jcheung#0000 if you go to inventory here [09-Aug-24 09:10 PM] xtc69#0000 yeah looks like it is [09-Aug-24 09:10 PM] xtc69#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1271651881898213511/image.png?ex=6814d25a&is=681380da&hm=154cebf2d83cddf0d1d5fa96d0a222b6c4a3f734d4c373a09afd638be4cabcb8& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1271651882267574284/image.png?ex=6814d25a&is=681380da&hm=dab0394b387187253eace2919b041f795cfad8f836e8f1c48600bd0534fed7cf& [09-Aug-24 09:11 PM] jcheung#0000 hmmmm [09-Aug-24 09:12 PM] jcheung#0000 try changing out the API key and double checking your PRUN username is spelled right? [09-Aug-24 09:17 PM] xtc69#0000 just restarted the API this time looks like it is working now [09-Aug-24 09:18 PM] xtc69#0000 the cost to do 10 days looks right and not 6k lol [09-Aug-24 09:18 PM] xtc69#0000 looks better lol {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1271653797311156235/image.png?ex=6814d423&is=681382a3&hm=0170df0b468baefcbb319f26e726963d5ff7a56529feeb0d161fb839744a70a1& [11-Aug-24 01:23 PM] realharvey#0000 @jvaler I dont know if this has been suggested yet. But I would keep internal offers still invisible for the fishtank concept [11-Aug-24 01:26 PM] jvaler#0000 yup i think i'm gonna do that {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ (2) [11-Aug-24 04:38 PM] xtc69#0000 looks like my graph going up now ๐Ÿ™‚ haha starting to get a good grasp of the game flow {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1272308213739683950/image.png?ex=6814929c&is=6813411c&hm=ce968e3daf5ac5ab12a79eeed606c75cbf2eccdfadc4c61a88a04e29b2706b1d& [11-Aug-24 04:40 PM] tanda#0000 good to see it! nearly time to diversify [11-Aug-24 04:40 PM] xtc69#0000 yea just trying to get above my starting cost was 750k want to see my money at 1m first lol [11-Aug-24 04:40 PM] xtc69#0000 how much is new planted worth might need to be my next thing [11-Aug-24 04:41 PM] xtc69#0000 sorry new base on a planted [11-Aug-24 04:41 PM] tanda#0000 depends a lot on the planet. A Nike base will run you over a mil (not that bad), a Harmonia base is like 800k, and Nascent is around 600k to 1.2m depending on what you do there [11-Aug-24 06:27 PM] xtc69#0000 aww yeah i barley have 600k to my name should wait a bit right ? [11-Aug-24 06:56 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, you'll want to have about double that, or set up two not full bases to get started with [11-Aug-24 06:56 PM] tanda#0000 gotta keep in mind that you'll need consumables as well [11-Aug-24 06:57 PM] xtc69#0000 yea why i need to keep doing what i am doing for month or so [12-Aug-24 06:21 AM] realharvey#0000 growth in this game will always be kinda slow. Even when you have better cash flow. And some point you'll have to wait for ships to be produced etc. to grow further. Or permits get super expensive [12-Aug-24 06:21 AM] realharvey#0000 but its all fun and part of the big process of revenue number go up :D [12-Aug-24 09:35 AM] xtc69#0000 yeah haha can not wait to start making ships going to be a min lol [12-Aug-24 09:35 AM] xtc69#0000 so ijust bought 221 not sure where they went lol {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1272564215638659104/image.png?ex=6814d848&is=681386c8&hm=f43f043ac32500892675ef1bc73432d3d3279b4400f8d6681c5e3b763db0e0ef& [12-Aug-24 09:36 AM] xtc69#0000 should be here right ? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1272564289701544030/image.png?ex=6814d859&is=681386d9&hm=e0ddcaa65cd758dfa8f65e966dc746982aba21b209e3b612590e57661f593ad4& [12-Aug-24 09:38 AM] tanda#0000 You have an open buy order for 221 AL at 655, I'm not sure why OB hasn't updated to show your order, but you can see it in CXOS [12-Aug-24 09:38 AM] xtc69#0000 yea says filled {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1272564934202364034/image.png?ex=6814d8f3&is=68138773&hm=88766c2ddfcde0079884538c84a9fbdd70d87bb612c0342c7c8db9f7831294f5& [12-Aug-24 09:39 AM] xtc69#0000 or am i being dumb right now lol [12-Aug-24 09:39 AM] realharvey#0000 You are not [12-Aug-24 09:39 AM] realharvey#0000 you dont have enough storage [12-Aug-24 09:39 AM] realharvey#0000 because of that [12-Aug-24 09:39 AM] realharvey#0000 you'll have a contract with that AL [12-Aug-24 09:39 AM] realharvey#0000 waiting for you to claim it once you have enough storage [12-Aug-24 09:40 AM] xtc69#0000 how do i upgrade it at ant [12-Aug-24 09:40 AM] realharvey#0000 the game is not very good at telling you [12-Aug-24 09:40 AM] xtc69#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1272565406082662441/image.png?ex=6814d963&is=681387e3&hm=a94d2ef385b094ad3b379b5640a03febbbeae0915d7cfd0bc8e94e6968e4b623& [12-Aug-24 09:40 AM] realharvey#0000 click on rent unit [12-Aug-24 09:41 AM] xtc69#0000 got it ๐Ÿ™‚ [12-Aug-24 09:41 AM] realharvey#0000 its 10 AIC per week [12-Aug-24 09:41 AM] realharvey#0000 so dont worry about having "too much" [12-Aug-24 09:41 AM] xtc69#0000 aww so upgraded not bad then [12-Aug-24 09:41 AM] realharvey#0000 now go to your contracts [12-Aug-24 09:42 AM] xtc69#0000 yea i found it [12-Aug-24 09:42 AM] realharvey#0000 good [12-Aug-24 09:42 AM] xtc69#0000 haha {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1272565823168446464/image.png?ex=6814d9c7&is=68138847&hm=385c2105809fe233c6b93dbd1ae64c8c25e6d343cef4817418b1827df0d1d730& [12-Aug-24 09:42 AM] realharvey#0000 lol [12-Aug-24 09:42 AM] xtc69#0000 buy low sell high lol [12-Aug-24 02:37 PM] jcheung#0000 Instructions unclear, bought high and sold low [14-Aug-24 09:05 PM] xtc69#0000 am i getting charged for both of them jw ? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1273462417900437595/image.png?ex=6814d10c&is=68137f8c&hm=d40ef15d4533b65acb4999ae6b87930041ab300ab6f9c207d618292f36dc111a& [14-Aug-24 09:05 PM] xtc69#0000 because when i got here my stuff went into my 500T unit and not 1000T unit ? [14-Aug-24 09:06 PM] tanda#0000 I'm not understanding? I see a ship inventory and a warehouse [14-Aug-24 09:06 PM] xtc69#0000 oooh yea LOL wtf [14-Aug-24 09:07 PM] xtc69#0000 i guess my UI did not refresh lol [14-Aug-24 09:07 PM] xtc69#0000 for some reason my stuff stay on ship even though i have my drop off click {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1273463024346337321/image.png?ex=6814d19c&is=6813801c&hm=aecf183a7fd9bc8b4f4c3dff60eed0c26eb7fd883c5584d4cdb0d0e6ecbf3f9e& [14-Aug-24 09:07 PM] xtc69#0000 me being dumb @tanda [14-Aug-24 09:08 PM] tanda#0000 oh that's interesting [20-Aug-24 08:31 AM] chobbycock#0000 Any1 here have a need for BAI or MLI? [20-Aug-24 08:45 AM] flor2081#0000 if anyone needs it its prob @riseoffilth, though i'd assume they've got a stable production of that already [20-Aug-24 09:22 AM] riseoffilth#0000 a nice injection of it wouldnt hurt [21-Aug-24 05:00 PM] finestone#0000 Do i need to repair my ship prior to upgrading it? [21-Aug-24 05:00 PM] igfloz#0000 it's better to [21-Aug-24 05:00 PM] igfloz#0000 once upgraded the repair will be more expesive I think ? [21-Aug-24 06:59 PM] tanda#0000 That depends on what you upgrade it to. But repairs are pretty cheap anyway [21-Aug-24 07:03 PM] marat_sh#0000 I think most of the cost would be hull plates. Basic hull plates pretty cheap [21-Aug-24 08:03 PM] tanda#0000 LHP isn't too too bad either [22-Aug-24 03:20 AM] finestone#0000 understood. thanks [02-Sep-24 01:09 AM] getonthetrain#0000 There is no fuel refining COGC planet in Antares space, right? I think whoever is in charge of EOS in Antares I should make that a fuel refining specialty planet. It's already got the galerite. don't need another electronics planet [02-Sep-24 01:10 AM] jcheung#0000 There's a couple [02-Sep-24 01:10 AM] jcheung#0000 ...or there was last month anyways. [02-Sep-24 01:11 AM] getonthetrain#0000 Prun doesn't show any, but I've seen it be wrong before [02-Sep-24 01:11 AM] laaxus#0000 pretty sure there is one [02-Sep-24 01:12 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1280047596932567162/image.png?ex=68150af9&is=6813b979&hm=8bb677cb73a88ff1c748883cfe38c4621c2549af9e9dc0d70e7f45385da61050& [02-Sep-24 01:14 AM] getonthetrain#0000 yea, none of those are ideal. Remus is the last planet in a large system, takes forever to get there without drinking your own supply {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1280048230905675779/image.png?ex=68150b90&is=6813ba10&hm=debd56a66e6c290d66900c53031a1d2a1abc189e6c64b95eb52d3380436744e0& [02-Sep-24 01:15 AM] jcheung#0000 Jump in and out [02-Sep-24 01:15 AM] jcheung#0000 It's actually decent [02-Sep-24 01:16 AM] getonthetrain#0000 isnt the jump point the systems star? [02-Sep-24 01:17 AM] jcheung#0000 No [02-Sep-24 01:17 AM] laaxus#0000 Fuel consumption is insignificant [02-Sep-24 01:17 AM] jcheung#0000 If I'm not mistaken, closer you are to the star the more damage you take when you jump actually [03-Sep-24 09:30 AM] shinonomesciences#0000 Does anyone know the most efficient carbon farming setup on harmonia? [03-Sep-24 10:30 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Dont farm carbon on Harmonia. Expand to Nascent, make carbon there. But otherwise, some mix of farm and INC presumably? [09-Sep-24 10:58 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1282731829031604245/image.png?ex=6814eb9c&is=68139a1c&hm=8e35576a6f10ef2a8be1a03b6cd7a7f106d9098f92945f18a7a7e98c601ba076& [09-Sep-24 10:58 AM] laaxus#0000 this is an estimate of the cost for a gateway recipe [09-Sep-24 10:58 AM] laaxus#0000 (credit to memoryalpha https://discord.com/channels/855488309802172469/855489711635431475/1282730367849074853) [09-Sep-24 10:59 AM] razenpok#0000 The other four might be very expensive also [09-Sep-24 10:59 AM] laaxus#0000 We gonna need to increase SP production and down, whatever happens [09-Sep-24 10:59 AM] razenpok#0000 Maybe they'll even use JUI :eyes: {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘€ [09-Sep-24 10:59 AM] laaxus#0000 but phobos is mainly used for EDC IDC in short, we need another ELECTRONICS planets, closer to the CX [09-Sep-24 11:01 AM] laaxus#0000 We're gonna need one whole new planet for electronics, the closest one after phobos is 4 distance away, which seems far {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1282732514749976576/image.png?ex=6814ec3f&is=68139abf&hm=02cf53e537ea90e72ee1f2d49de2f8176b74f7f8e1e80d29b955bcd0e693459f& [09-Sep-24 11:01 AM] laaxus#0000 so, the purpose of this post [09-Sep-24 11:01 AM] laaxus#0000 should we consider starting a new electronic planet, shorter to the cx ? [09-Sep-24 11:01 AM] laaxus#0000 if so, increasing the population will take time, so we should start sooner than later [09-Sep-24 11:21 AM] laaxus#0000 maybe one of those ? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1282737749505478657/image.png?ex=6814f11f&is=68139f9f&hm=5c3f4cfbf93eba217c73eae2957ad07b2ceb4fd556d8490bf5ed18b519519d22& [09-Sep-24 11:52 AM] pi3142718#0000 Any of yโ€™all feel like organizing a joint effort to build a gateway on Deimos or Phobos? Even just providing a spreadsheet where players preemptively contribute would be helpful. Seems like an ADI/CULT project [09-Sep-24 11:53 AM] laaxus#0000 that's kinda what I'm thinking about [09-Sep-24 11:53 AM] laaxus#0000 a gateway would be a huge economic boon [09-Sep-24 11:53 AM] laaxus#0000 if it brings planets 4 distance away, to two [09-Sep-24 11:53 AM] pi3142718#0000 Depends if we can build them in faction space I guessโ€ฆ [09-Sep-24 11:53 AM] pi3142718#0000 Either way there will be somewhere in ANT we want a gateway [09-Sep-24 11:53 AM] laaxus#0000 yes [09-Sep-24 11:54 AM] laaxus#0000 and for a gateway, we need a fuck ton of sp [09-Sep-24 11:54 AM] laaxus#0000 but most phobos base are IDC/EDC [09-Sep-24 11:54 AM] laaxus#0000 therefore we need a new electr planet, not that far from the cx {Reactions} ๐Ÿค” [09-Sep-24 11:54 AM] laaxus#0000 but we need time to populate that planet [09-Sep-24 11:54 AM] laaxus#0000 so let's start it soon [09-Sep-24 11:54 AM] laaxus#0000 and I suggested one of those 4 [09-Sep-24 11:55 AM] laaxus#0000 or then, we will have to change the cogc of a current planet [09-Sep-24 12:06 PM] getonthetrain#0000 what's wrong with EOS? [09-Sep-24 12:07 PM] laaxus#0000 TSH [09-Sep-24 12:07 PM] laaxus#0000 high temp is very expensive, not worth [09-Sep-24 12:11 PM] tanda#0000 Depending on what else is available, it might be the best bet. One red is always less expensive than two red [09-Sep-24 12:12 PM] tanda#0000 and TSH production and demand are going to increase a LOT. 1200 for the base gateway [09-Sep-24 12:12 PM] laaxus#0000 Wouldn't any of those be better ? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1282750548344311860/image.png?ex=6814fd0b&is=6813ab8b&hm=8158d81e50c2a2ee69cb49b812a1dce0c9e34861dec970e723cdcc0d51f19857& [09-Sep-24 12:14 PM] tanda#0000 Nope! HSE and INS is big dollars [09-Sep-24 12:15 PM] laaxus#0000 ok let me compare [09-Sep-24 12:15 PM] laaxus#0000 one moment [09-Sep-24 12:15 PM] marat_sh#0000 it's one or the other but not both [09-Sep-24 12:15 PM] marat_sh#0000 both is pretty expancive [09-Sep-24 12:16 PM] tanda#0000 Eos is SEA and TSH so it's going to be pretty close. [09-Sep-24 12:17 PM] tanda#0000 After that you need to look at population levels: "does this planet have the pop I need or can it grow to accommodate within a reasonable time frame" [09-Sep-24 12:20 PM] laaxus#0000 In short, it does not matter the slightest {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1282752405754216551/image.png?ex=6814fec5&is=6813ad45&hm=5984018c9abbcd11514f70496bbfb740ba287f7512cc870a305eb219c5110a0c& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1282752406064726066/image.png?ex=6814fec5&is=6813ad45&hm=f710dc30b6c0bf0fbae8319f355eccc1d7ab0d7d82f5d5f166e63e8c2041738e& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1282752406395949258/image.png?ex=6814fec6&is=6813ad46&hm=eeefbe27788febd429206413c665dd2d007235f60e862af3e0f2980ecb870b43& [09-Sep-24 12:20 PM] laaxus#0000 so EOS might actually work ? [09-Sep-24 12:21 PM] tanda#0000 Then it comes down to the issue of pop. TECH basically mandates Eos, which already has an established tech pop base [09-Sep-24 12:23 PM] laaxus#0000 wow, SOL is sold at such a low price right now [09-Sep-24 12:24 PM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1282753562987855872/image.png?ex=6814ffd9&is=6813ae59&hm=a60cdf3c028e092ed59a46486fb357bdb493d0dcbc5f90e64499f7bc9be1abe7& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1282753563352633505/image.png?ex=6814ffd9&is=6813ae59&hm=eaac2eef83c0b0c6137ddadb2bb59ad94ec76d61390efe644d38f966973e93dc& [09-Sep-24 12:42 PM] archielvahr#0000 Technically you are allowed to make something other than EDC or IDC on Phobos [09-Sep-24 12:42 PM] archielvahr#0000 So the planet will work fine for SP production ๐Ÿ˜› [09-Sep-24 12:42 PM] marat_sh#0000 https://tenor.com/view/making-a-difference-can-be-fun-randy-marsh-south-park-south-park-pajama-day-south-park-s25e1-gif-24757432 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/making-a-difference-can-be-fun-randy-marsh-south-park-south-park-pajama-day-south-park-s25e1-gif-24757432 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/ZcTkB4rOfty4APauGw0EMByhjsVZJndmLl9hlggqL_4/https/media.tenor.com/MAdScfsRhbAAAAAe/making-a-difference-can-be-fun-randy-marsh.png [09-Sep-24 12:42 PM] laaxus#0000 people won't scrap their 20M money printing base for SP production [09-Sep-24 12:43 PM] archielvahr#0000 And there's Malahat and Jeetiyu. I can speak for Malahat: tech employment would be extremely appreciated there, because it helps grow engineers [09-Sep-24 12:44 PM] archielvahr#0000 If you wanna make that base you linked at Malahat, I'll throw you 2m AIC [09-Sep-24 12:44 PM] laaxus#0000 honestly, after running the numbers, we might not need a new planet [09-Sep-24 12:45 PM] laaxus#0000 one base could supply the whole requirement for SP in a month [09-Sep-24 12:45 PM] laaxus#0000 4 base in a week [09-Sep-24 12:45 PM] laaxus#0000 ยฏ\_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ [09-Sep-24 12:45 PM] archielvahr#0000 Well, we gotta have two gateways, right? ๐Ÿ˜‰ [09-Sep-24 12:48 PM] tanda#0000 TSH is what I'm immediately worried about. Current market prices make that nealy 25% of the gateway price. And I'm pretty sure there's next to no volume on it since it competes with afabs {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [09-Sep-24 01:24 PM] laaxus#0000 agree [09-Sep-24 01:24 PM] laaxus#0000 one vertical base make 13 TSH a day [09-Sep-24 01:56 PM] tanda#0000 I'm sure other people than me run full WEL bases. THP shouldn't be too hard to come by [09-Sep-24 02:19 PM] pi3142718#0000 If I can get TI and NFI Iโ€™ve got 99 PP3 that can pump out PSH [09-Sep-24 02:59 PM] pi3142718#0000 Anyone got a steady supply of TIO? [09-Sep-24 03:15 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 I do if you want to go get it [09-Sep-24 03:15 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 Iโ€™d like to get rid of my TI smelting [09-Sep-24 03:15 PM] shrewdsun_88540#0000 Mining in on SE-648c [09-Sep-24 03:21 PM] razenpok#0000 Meanwhile {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1282798140847816755/image.png?ex=6814809e&is=68132f1e&hm=5803d1cab4e85999061fa5b943f097b68919d0b2363d7fddbf6d2e8d61aee48e& {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [09-Sep-24 04:25 PM] finestone#0000 I sell TI [09-Sep-24 04:25 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm about to make a NFI base [09-Sep-24 04:51 PM] pi3142718#0000 Where at? Iโ€™m looking for at least 10k/day [09-Sep-24 04:52 PM] pi3142718#0000 Where and how much volume? [09-Sep-24 04:52 PM] laaxus#0000 and how much at maximum ? [09-Sep-24 04:52 PM] laaxus#0000 I can provide 30k a day [09-Sep-24 04:53 PM] pi3142718#0000 Depends on the TI supply [09-Sep-24 04:53 PM] pi3142718#0000 1 base is enough to make a gatewayโ€™s worth of PSH in 25 days [09-Sep-24 04:53 PM] pi3142718#0000 So Iโ€™d probably only convert 2 bases at max [09-Sep-24 04:55 PM] pi3142718#0000 10.5k/day/base, so 21k/day if I can get 100 TI/day [09-Sep-24 04:56 PM] laaxus#0000 I'd be able to supply you then, when the time come [09-Sep-24 04:56 PM] pi3142718#0000 My plan is either to: make 50 TI/day, buy 50 TI/day, or buy 100 TI/day [09-Sep-24 04:56 PM] pi3142718#0000 How soon is that? [09-Sep-24 04:56 PM] pi3142718#0000 Iโ€™m looking to spool up production in the next week [09-Sep-24 04:56 PM] laaxus#0000 I can build the base as soon as tommorow {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [09-Sep-24 04:57 PM] pi3142718#0000 Need to figure out whatโ€™s going on with TI first. [09-Sep-24 05:02 PM] finestone#0000 50 per day ANT/Hyalos [09-Sep-24 05:08 PM] laaxus#0000 I could make 65 TI at Deimos [09-Sep-24 05:08 PM] pi3142718#0000 Iโ€™ll take it. What price are you looking at? And how infrequently can I purchase? Like 1/week 350 TI? [09-Sep-24 05:08 PM] laaxus#0000 And I might make a TIO base [09-Sep-24 05:08 PM] laaxus#0000 if you guarante a bit of purchase of TI [09-Sep-24 05:10 PM] pi3142718#0000 Probably will be able to find it from existing suppliers, thanks. [09-Sep-24 05:11 PM] laaxus#0000 ok [09-Sep-24 05:11 PM] pi3142718#0000 Probably looking at 10.5k NFI/day and 50 TI/day demand [09-Sep-24 05:11 PM] pi3142718#0000 To turn Nike into a PSH factory [09-Sep-24 05:12 PM] laaxus#0000 Would 70k/week, 15/u for the NFI be ok ? [09-Sep-24 05:12 PM] laaxus#0000 it's current bid price [09-Sep-24 05:13 PM] finestone#0000 lets call it 300/week 1800/u? [09-Sep-24 05:14 PM] pi3142718#0000 Deal. Can you start supplying this week? [09-Sep-24 05:15 PM] pi3142718#0000 Honestly wouldnโ€™t put too much trust in the current price. Could be way higher or lower. What does PrunPlanner say COGM is? [09-Sep-24 05:16 PM] finestone#0000 yes base is already running still missing about 6 SME but they will be built by end of week [09-Sep-24 05:16 PM] finestone#0000 I will start hoarding the TI for you at ANT i presume? {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [09-Sep-24 05:17 PM] pi3142718#0000 I can send a contract today due in 7 days, then one next week on Sunday? [09-Sep-24 05:21 PM] laaxus#0000 After verification, it is indeed quite profitable [09-Sep-24 05:21 PM] laaxus#0000 Idk how to set what would be a fair price [09-Sep-24 05:22 PM] pi3142718#0000 I'll take 15/u now and we can adjust later as the price fluctuates [09-Sep-24 05:22 PM] pi3142718#0000 Where are you making it? [09-Sep-24 05:23 PM] laaxus#0000 phobos [09-Sep-24 05:23 PM] pi3142718#0000 I'd prefer to pick up from ANT ๐Ÿ™‚ {Reactions} โœ… [09-Sep-24 05:23 PM] pi3142718#0000 Actually it does fill a 3k/1k nicely... [09-Sep-24 05:23 PM] pi3142718#0000 Maybe I can pick up from Phobos [09-Sep-24 05:24 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm gonna crash that 15/u bid anyway, let's see how the market react to that [09-Sep-24 05:27 PM] pi3142718#0000 @laaxus You're going to have to send the sell contract. I can't pick up from a buy in a ship and 70k NFI is more than fits in the Phobos warehouse [09-Sep-24 05:27 PM] pi3142718#0000 Or we could split into 2 35k NFI buys [09-Sep-24 05:27 PM] laaxus#0000 no issue [09-Sep-24 05:28 PM] laaxus#0000 works too [09-Sep-24 05:28 PM] laaxus#0000 as you prefer [09-Sep-24 05:28 PM] pi3142718#0000 I can send the contracts [09-Sep-24 05:28 PM] laaxus#0000 I'll probably need 48h to start production, the time to gather the materials, build the base, make it run etc [09-Sep-24 05:29 PM] pi3142718#0000 Wait... no. That's going to be really annoying for you and me since you can't provision with a buy contract, you have to be online when I have room in my inventory [09-Sep-24 05:30 PM] pi3142718#0000 Could you please send the sell contracts? [09-Sep-24 05:33 PM] laaxus#0000 Yes I'll {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [09-Sep-24 07:11 PM] tanda#0000 have definitely thought about using it for PP4s {Reactions} ๐Ÿค” ๐Ÿง  [09-Sep-24 07:24 PM] finestone#0000 Should be good. I will let you know if i need ext {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [10-Sep-24 12:51 AM] razenpok#0000 Lowstrife is market-making SP now :kekw: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1282941563097321473/image.png?ex=68150630&is=6813b4b0&hm=a6e4005a85bc6021930416480932e7355f151782c7ef94df7c1b27b626b9aba6& [10-Sep-24 12:56 AM] laaxus#0000 Lowstrife, not the MM we deserved but the one we need [10-Sep-24 01:05 AM] pi3142718#0000 Anyone here focusing on making SP? Same with TSH. Weโ€™ll need a lot for gateways in ANT [10-Sep-24 01:06 AM] laaxus#0000 What's SP recipe again ? [10-Sep-24 01:07 AM] pi3142718#0000 GL and SOL. And SOL from CU, SI, BCO, and BGO [10-Sep-24 01:07 AM] pi3142718#0000 In an ECA [10-Sep-24 01:07 AM] laaxus#0000 Ah yes [10-Sep-24 01:07 AM] laaxus#0000 I've made the math [10-Sep-24 01:07 AM] laaxus#0000 Higher in this channel [10-Sep-24 01:08 AM] pi3142718#0000 I think the price is going to go way up [10-Sep-24 01:08 AM] pi3142718#0000 For all components of that [10-Sep-24 01:08 AM] laaxus#0000 2-3 bases are enough to fill the demand [10-Sep-24 01:08 AM] laaxus#0000 The Price is high, but production is fast [10-Sep-24 01:09 AM] pi3142718#0000 If you can get the CU, SI, and BGO [10-Sep-24 01:09 AM] laaxus#0000 There just isn't enough demand for more than 4 bases SP bases [10-Sep-24 01:09 AM] pi3142718#0000 How many SP does a base produce? [10-Sep-24 01:09 AM] laaxus#0000 I'll make CU in deimos ๐Ÿ™‚ [10-Sep-24 01:10 AM] laaxus#0000 . [10-Sep-24 01:10 AM] laaxus#0000 1500 a week iirc ? [10-Sep-24 01:10 AM] laaxus#0000 Not sure [10-Sep-24 01:11 AM] pi3142718#0000 Iโ€™m expecting there to be on the order of ~20 gateways demanded/built soon after release. Definitely could need 5-6 SP bases to make that many [10-Sep-24 01:12 AM] pi3142718#0000 LIT is another problem [10-Sep-24 01:12 AM] pi3142718#0000 Currently planning a Deimos base to just make RG [10-Sep-24 01:14 AM] laaxus#0000 Let's not forget that people will start to stock up before the update [10-Sep-24 01:14 AM] laaxus#0000 Just like now [10-Sep-24 01:23 AM] pi3142718#0000 Right. If the release is 2 months from now weโ€™re going to have lots of stuff readyโ€ฆ [10-Sep-24 01:24 AM] pi3142718#0000 TSH is probably the limiting factor [10-Sep-24 01:24 AM] pi3142718#0000 And the new materials [10-Sep-24 02:49 AM] razenpok#0000 Let me guess: We will see an even bigger spike in basic goods prices as people respec into gateway production. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ข [10-Sep-24 07:08 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 ^ Yes. Not considering that the gateway specialty mats might have their own production building... Everything else is of serious magnitude in quantity. [10-Sep-24 09:32 AM] kahetabi#0000 Good mrning [11-Sep-24 07:05 AM] tanda#0000 @avalock @getonthetrain I suppose the next question to ask is: Would you guys rather just run the Extraction bases and sell me the BRM or would you rather run it as a coop and split the REA at the end? [11-Sep-24 07:06 AM] avalock#0000 wruff [11-Sep-24 07:07 AM] avalock#0000 uhm hmmm i think all i would know is resource extraction stuff [11-Sep-24 07:12 AM] tanda#0000 As it stands right now we're looking at stepping up two extraction bases and one Chem base on YK-266c [11-Sep-24 07:12 AM] tanda#0000 Extraction Base {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1283399876381511772/Screenshot_2024-09-11_051119.png?ex=6814b6c6&is=68136546&hm=b02846e0e1ddf1f65fb916a573dab3f7fce7f16ddcdf974c57ebce763abaa444& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1283399877061120061/Screenshot_2024-09-11_051131.png?ex=6814b6c7&is=68136547&hm=52941b78a2b3259523ad7cbbcb6a6140f7bdaa4066d153046d0a799d28543055& [11-Sep-24 07:13 AM] tanda#0000 Let me know if you guys need help with getting these Fabs, I can swap over Nike JR to just churn out BSE for a week or so [11-Sep-24 07:17 AM] tanda#0000 And here's the CHP base. Just to minimize shipping issues I'm going to plan on having it double permitted so we don't have to ship any BRM {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1283400950287044658/Screenshot_2024-09-11_051551.png?ex=6814b7c6&is=68136646&hm=d56fcd9601125d6cef1b92035d5514b34e5914b5f904b663885f2ae2175052f5& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1283400950744092745/Screenshot_2024-09-11_051655.png?ex=6814b7c7&is=68136647&hm=28a40814383a66047d9b07cb849d4055517b7a1bf6c46c6811245b1375ee7490& [11-Sep-24 08:39 AM] avalock#0000 I could probably get this done, lemme get some stuff ready [11-Sep-24 08:41 AM] sidepipe#0000 If yโ€™all wanna go at it completely independently, Iโ€™ll just say that Iโ€™m happy to buy 90-100 REA per day too ๐Ÿ˜„ [11-Sep-24 09:14 AM] getonthetrain#0000 I'm open to either, or somewhere in between. Depends on what either deal comes out to - shoot me some numbers [11-Sep-24 10:20 AM] getonthetrain#0000 That'd be good - I can trade for MCG and PSL's if you wish [11-Sep-24 12:06 PM] laaxus#0000 I'd also be happy buying REA in the future ๐Ÿ™‚ [11-Sep-24 12:06 PM] laaxus#0000 (not now) [11-Sep-24 03:06 PM] laaxus#0000 @pi3142718 I sarted NFI production, do you want to buy it already ? [11-Sep-24 08:19 PM] pi3142718#0000 Yes, send over the contracts [12-Sep-24 07:05 AM] tanda#0000 ~~My own thoughts on the matter is that I can pay 125/unit on BRM which gives you a stable income from that base of about 56k per day, and an ROI of about 17 days~~ [12-Sep-24 07:08 AM] tanda#0000 Or I can give you a third of the REA produced, which should retail upwards of 690 per unit. Now technically that's more money but I expect this product to do a lot of sitting. It moves on the CXs in batches of 1-2k or more every 3-4 days and there's very limited supply as it is right now. [12-Sep-24 07:09 AM] tanda#0000 apologies on taking two days to get back to you, it's been difficult to get time to focus on this [12-Sep-24 07:15 AM] tanda#0000 Correction, took another look at it. Fairer price is 150 per unit on BRM. 74k per day income with an ROI of 13 days [12-Sep-24 07:16 AM] tanda#0000 the CX prices this stuff ridiculously high due to lack of anyone willing to haul it [12-Sep-24 01:00 PM] kahetabi#0000 How much time I should spend on game before applying for agp? [12-Sep-24 01:04 PM] marat_sh#0000 how much time have you already played? [12-Sep-24 01:24 PM] jcheung#0000 long enough to demonstrate you can use prunplanner ๐Ÿ˜„ {Reactions} โœ… (3) [12-Sep-24 03:55 PM] jvaler#0000 what jcheung said ^ it's intended for new players, so ASAP. how much time doesn't matter, just demonstrating your competency in spending the funds effectively. if you have any questions please ask us! [12-Sep-24 04:11 PM] razenpok#0000 ~~Phobos RCO base :Clueless1: ~~ [12-Sep-24 04:12 PM] jcheung#0000 ~~i mean that's arguably better than phobos SME base~~ [12-Sep-24 04:13 PM] jvaler#0000 i get to waste my own money ๐Ÿ˜พ {Reactions} true truss [12-Sep-24 04:15 PM] jvaler#0000 the permit's already upgraded months ago, so it'd still be sitting around doing nothing otherwise [12-Sep-24 04:16 PM] laaxus#0000 just put sio ext on norwick {Reactions} ๐Ÿง  [12-Sep-24 06:00 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Hyalos [12-Sep-24 07:08 PM] avalock#0000 woof [13-Sep-24 12:59 AM] kahetabi#0000 12 days [13-Sep-24 01:01 AM] kahetabi#0000 I wouldn't even want all the money at once, maybe 200k, play for a month and then rest [13-Sep-24 07:07 AM] marat_sh#0000 Well you shouldโ€™ve grabbed it 12 days go ๐Ÿ˜… Go post a request [13-Sep-24 07:08 AM] laaxus#0000 there's a 100k 0% interest loan if you're more interested in that [13-Sep-24 07:08 AM] laaxus#0000 https://discord.com/channels/855488309802172469/1202348145942732911 [13-Sep-24 09:37 AM] getonthetrain#0000 Correction, took another look at it. [14-Sep-24 12:39 AM] finestone#0000 @pi3142718 TI order will be tight but should be on time mats are on thier way to build the rest of Smelters so orders from here on out will be good [14-Sep-24 12:39 AM] finestone#0000 Worst comes to worst i may need one day Extension. thanks. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [14-Sep-24 12:42 AM] pi3142718#0000 No worries, let me know [14-Sep-24 12:42 AM] pi3142718#0000 I can just switch back to INS if I ever run out of mats [14-Sep-24 05:20 AM] .nvf#0000 I did it, I bit the bullet [14-Sep-24 05:20 AM] .nvf#0000 I paid for PRO [14-Sep-24 05:21 AM] laaxus#0000 Welcome [14-Sep-24 05:22 AM] .nvf#0000 where do I see a list of contracts I could take? [14-Sep-24 05:22 AM] .nvf#0000 I might as well start shipping [14-Sep-24 05:23 AM] laaxus#0000 Local markets [14-Sep-24 05:24 AM] laaxus#0000 Tho I recommend dming this guy [14-Sep-24 05:24 AM] laaxus#0000 https://discord.com/channels/855488309802172469/855496119713660949/1278350623619940393 [14-Sep-24 05:24 AM] laaxus#0000 He gives better rate than market for new players [14-Sep-24 05:26 AM] .nvf#0000 Done, thanks [14-Sep-24 01:24 PM] tanda#0000 It begins! {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1284580616590983376/image.png?ex=68150ded&is=6813bc6d&hm=0d0b1f1d11e7c67cf75f50baff4c75510c8ea00b574469ef120faa4fcd73f938& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘€ [14-Sep-24 01:28 PM] getonthetrain#0000 dang, you're watching like a hawk {Reactions} truss [14-Sep-24 01:57 PM] tanda#0000 I'm excited about this [15-Sep-24 02:39 AM] .nvf#0000 how do I see contracts on offer at places? [15-Sep-24 02:40 AM] laaxus#0000 you mean local market ? [15-Sep-24 02:40 AM] .nvf#0000 sure [15-Sep-24 02:40 AM] .nvf#0000 I remember being able to see transport contracts on offer [15-Sep-24 02:41 AM] .nvf#0000 but now I can't find that [15-Sep-24 02:41 AM] laaxus#0000 planet -> local market [15-Sep-24 02:41 AM] laaxus#0000 not every planet have one [15-Sep-24 02:41 AM] .nvf#0000 gotcha, thanks [15-Sep-24 02:41 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1284781138111627277/image.png?ex=6814772d&is=681325ad&hm=379f603de0486b5f14a3035e8685d0f8293f7b5164c32246d7990f76b14c4490& [15-Sep-24 02:42 AM] tanda#0000 you could put all the LMs at planets you care about together on one screen [15-Sep-24 02:42 AM] tanda#0000 honestly though I think an LM monitoring spreadsheet would be the way to go [15-Sep-24 02:44 AM] laaxus#0000 honestly, most offers on local markets are not worth it [15-Sep-24 02:44 AM] laaxus#0000 either it is product way above or under market price Or shipping contract that pay very few [15-Sep-24 02:45 AM] tanda#0000 yeah, a lot of corps use the LM to do internal trading, and it skews the LM low at a glance [15-Sep-24 02:46 AM] tanda#0000 the reason I think a spreadsheet would be worthwhile isn't because the LM is fantastically amazing, but because I can't fit more than about 8 LM buffers on a screen comfortably [15-Sep-24 02:46 AM] .nvf#0000 i'm just using it to fill cargo space that'd go to waste otherwise [15-Sep-24 02:47 AM] .nvf#0000 ...except I fucked up and didn't see that the thing that only took up 85m3 actually weighs 499t [15-Sep-24 02:47 AM] jvaler#0000 nike & vulcan LMs are great, reliable below-CX priced LST & FEO [15-Sep-24 02:48 AM] tanda#0000 Deimos lets me get my ALO for cheap too, but once you get out of the main planets the LM is really hit or miss [15-Sep-24 02:48 AM] jvaler#0000 bit of a population issue at that point yeah [15-Sep-24 02:51 AM] .nvf#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1284783521176748053/image.png?ex=68147965&is=681327e5&hm=a2ead9428f3372a97e437b3df484c94b31e9249dde5830b3e184312435b14879& [15-Sep-24 02:51 AM] .nvf#0000 is this price disparity... common? [15-Sep-24 02:51 AM] tanda#0000 well, I'm buying Aluminum ore [15-Sep-24 02:51 AM] laaxus#0000 ALO vs AL [15-Sep-24 02:51 AM] .nvf#0000 Ohhhhhhh [15-Sep-24 02:51 AM] .nvf#0000 thankyou [15-Sep-24 02:51 AM] .nvf#0000 I didn't notice [15-Sep-24 02:51 AM] tanda#0000 and the guy below me is buying processed aluminum [15-Sep-24 02:51 AM] tanda#0000 both are VERY close to CX prices too [15-Sep-24 02:52 AM] .nvf#0000 as you can tell, I'm still getting used to the fine print [15-Sep-24 02:52 AM] tanda#0000 it takes a while. Make sure you read contracts on the LM twice before grabbing [15-Sep-24 02:52 AM] tanda#0000 never know when one is going to send you to ZV-307e [15-Sep-24 02:54 AM] .nvf#0000 yeahhhhhh... [15-Sep-24 02:54 AM] .nvf#0000 I'm 10 pioneers understaffed, but it's still showing 100%... what am I missing? [15-Sep-24 02:54 AM] tanda#0000 screenshot it for me? [15-Sep-24 02:54 AM] jvaler#0000 maybe negated by experts? only 10 under is pretty marginal [15-Sep-24 02:55 AM] .nvf#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1284784666716536842/image.png?ex=68147a76&is=681328f6&hm=89c394dc25ad137a4d660de8616f579f1e698474c370d4bb92134e29f386cf72& [15-Sep-24 02:55 AM] .nvf#0000 mousing over the yellow bar says `100.0%` [15-Sep-24 02:55 AM] .nvf#0000 but i can't screenshot it [15-Sep-24 02:56 AM] tanda#0000 that particular 100% is for satisfaction [15-Sep-24 02:56 AM] tanda#0000 aka: Workforce consumables and luxuries [15-Sep-24 02:56 AM] jvaler#0000 200/200 means all PIO fulfilled right? [15-Sep-24 02:56 AM] .nvf#0000 staffing isn't taken in to account? [15-Sep-24 02:57 AM] jvaler#0000 screenshot your PRODCO buffer for that base so we can see your efficiency modifiers {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1284785045109997619/image.png?ex=68147ad0&is=68132950&hm=d167b6cb938e83ff5b250aa5f061365422077bc2ef60e57a1d6fc2910de58e70& [15-Sep-24 02:57 AM] tanda#0000 not in that location [15-Sep-24 02:57 AM] .nvf#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1284785078412640339/image.png?ex=68147ad8&is=68132958&hm=da877afe09c4c8a72e6543e165190706b435c74a15e157da10f38fd786f949b5& [15-Sep-24 02:57 AM] .nvf#0000 ah here we go [15-Sep-24 02:58 AM] jvaler#0000 so it doesn't come out to 100% [15-Sep-24 02:58 AM] jvaler#0000 does queue details say 100%? [15-Sep-24 02:58 AM] jvaler#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1284785521884663808/image.png?ex=68147b42&is=681329c2&hm=db5c76b3644ecf779bf34920582c328f8de0afbf5fb20dc5dd3028c993fb75c9& [15-Sep-24 02:59 AM] .nvf#0000 nah that's what this is [15-Sep-24 02:59 AM] tanda#0000 ...wait [15-Sep-24 02:59 AM] tanda#0000 do you not have experts assigned? [15-Sep-24 02:59 AM] jvaler#0000 OH right 200/200 means you only have 200 habitation space that's right ๐Ÿคฆโ€โ™€๏ธ [15-Sep-24 02:59 AM] tanda#0000 nvm [15-Sep-24 03:00 AM] .nvf#0000 that's the oxygen thing [15-Sep-24 03:00 AM] .nvf#0000 not the smelter [15-Sep-24 03:00 AM] tanda#0000 forgot the ones you get with that start are metallurgy [15-Sep-24 03:00 AM] .nvf#0000 ye [15-Sep-24 03:00 AM] .nvf#0000 ye [15-Sep-24 05:01 AM] laaxus#0000 I was wondering how I could contribute to the ADI [15-Sep-24 05:01 AM] laaxus#0000 And then I thought about TSH [15-Sep-24 05:01 AM] laaxus#0000 currently, TSH ask price is 35k, but I've done the math, and I could provide 20TSH a day for 22K (seeing the capital needed, it wouldn't be soon) [15-Sep-24 05:03 AM] laaxus#0000 Would this make high temperature planets viable or would they remain too unviable ? [15-Sep-24 05:06 AM] laaxus#0000 Would there be a demand ? [15-Sep-24 05:15 AM] tanda#0000 so, yes TSH is already in demand [15-Sep-24 05:15 AM] tanda#0000 that's about to spike hugely due to gateways [15-Sep-24 05:15 AM] tanda#0000 but have you looked at the capital and Pop cost necessary to run a base of pp4s? [15-Sep-24 05:16 AM] laaxus#0000 yeah, the issue is capital [15-Sep-24 05:16 AM] laaxus#0000 I can't provide for it, atm [15-Sep-24 05:17 AM] laaxus#0000 and I can't take a 9M loan for a base that give no revenue [15-Sep-24 05:18 AM] laaxus#0000 but true, tsh will be needed for gateways [15-Sep-24 05:18 AM] tanda#0000 I'm working towards a PP4 base myself. I feel like I need anywhere from 3-6 more permits of construction bases before I could supply a PP4 base [15-Sep-24 05:19 AM] laaxus#0000 why 3-6 permits for construction ? [15-Sep-24 05:19 AM] laaxus#0000 for the LBH ? [15-Sep-24 05:20 AM] tanda#0000 not to supply TSH period. AFABs make excellent money but cost a lot of resources to make [15-Sep-24 05:21 AM] tanda#0000 I have actually already started working on building THP to be ready for the TSH demand increase [15-Sep-24 05:32 AM] laaxus#0000 Then I guess my contribution will be supply CF and keep prices low [15-Sep-24 05:33 AM] laaxus#0000 BTW that surge in CF demand will increase the pressure in AL [15-Sep-24 05:58 AM] tanda#0000 AL has enough supply to ride it out easily [15-Sep-24 05:58 AM] tanda#0000 SI will spike I think [15-Sep-24 06:15 AM] razenpok#0000 SEA will spike also :Cry: [15-Sep-24 12:12 PM] getonthetrain#0000 why will SEA spike? [15-Sep-24 12:13 PM] razenpok#0000 It is SI-based [15-Sep-24 12:13 PM] razenpok#0000 And SEA is also a gateway component [15-Sep-24 12:15 PM] getonthetrain#0000 ah [15-Sep-24 01:26 PM] jcheung#0000 ~~Because the ice caps are melting~~ {Reactions} Clueless1 [16-Sep-24 03:21 AM] .nvf#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1285153527206776893/image.png?ex=6814807d&is=68132efd&hm=7d4bca1ac4caf673a1cfb826c8e198c43d8f70b62771d9c8592cf6491aeb9079& [16-Sep-24 03:21 AM] .nvf#0000 is this saying I get a bonus to electronics..? [16-Sep-24 03:21 AM] .nvf#0000 Can I change that? [16-Sep-24 03:27 AM] laaxus#0000 Yes, from faction [16-Sep-24 03:30 AM] .nvf#0000 can you elaborate..? [16-Sep-24 03:32 AM] laaxus#0000 No you can't change faction [16-Sep-24 03:32 AM] .nvf#0000 Aw man [16-Sep-24 03:33 AM] .nvf#0000 Where do I see what bonuses the factions give? [16-Sep-24 03:34 AM] laaxus#0000 Handbook [16-Sep-24 03:40 AM] .nvf#0000 Hrm... [16-Sep-24 03:44 AM] .nvf#0000 I wish I'd never noticed it, now I feel like I should restart to take advantage of that [16-Sep-24 03:48 AM] jvaler#0000 yup, if you relocate your company HQ. the faction ownership of the system it's in determines which bonus it uses. [16-Sep-24 03:49 AM] jvaler#0000 you'll need a base on the planet you want to move your HQ to though [16-Sep-24 03:49 AM] .nvf#0000 Ahh alright [16-Sep-24 03:50 AM] laaxus#0000 Nah it doesn't matter [18-Sep-24 07:22 AM] tanda#0000 finally, a ship has been dispatched to Yak to drop the base {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘€ [18-Sep-24 07:22 AM] tanda#0000 going to have to send one out there immediately after with all the governing bits and bobs [18-Sep-24 12:31 PM] getonthetrain#0000 I only have 3 EXT on there right now - all I could handle with starter ship shipping. That's just over 100 BRM per day. How much are you going to need right away and how long to ramp up? [18-Sep-24 12:33 PM] tanda#0000 4 weeks to full ramp. Don't worry, not expecting to be 100% efficiency off the bat. Contract me for shipping, next load out there will be much smaller than this one {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [18-Sep-24 12:34 PM] getonthetrain#0000 already got a ship heading out there, but will do [18-Sep-24 07:31 PM] tanda#0000 If you need additional shipping out there, I am dispatching a ship with 640m3 2.6kt remaining in about an hour [18-Sep-24 07:32 PM] getonthetrain#0000 how much BRM will you need per day at the start? [18-Sep-24 07:32 PM] getonthetrain#0000 I make just over 100 as is [18-Sep-24 07:34 PM] tanda#0000 to start with, 140 per day with current population levels (assuming I get a good chunk in the round robin between the 3 of us in 2 days) Until Avacyn establishes a base out there, I will only be dropping 11 CHPs. That will use 619, or slightly more than what your full base makes [18-Sep-24 07:35 PM] tanda#0000 things will ramp up pretty quickly after that. If I can get the ADM built tomorrow, I'll have governorship in 4 days and start to be able to run workforce programs [18-Sep-24 07:36 PM] tanda#0000 so I would definitely prioritize getting your base filled out so you have somewhere for pop to go [18-Sep-24 07:36 PM] tanda#0000 Do you have a full 30 days of supplies out there for max pop? [18-Sep-24 07:38 PM] getonthetrain#0000 no, I have 2 weeks for the 3 EXT [18-Sep-24 07:38 PM] tanda#0000 I'm not sure how busy your ships are, but this is a far trip to make even every couple weeks [18-Sep-24 07:38 PM] getonthetrain#0000 1 more hab and 2 more EXT will produce enough for your start [18-Sep-24 07:39 PM] getonthetrain#0000 right now I have one starter ship going back and forth with BRM [18-Sep-24 07:39 PM] getonthetrain#0000 well, back - not forth [18-Sep-24 07:39 PM] getonthetrain#0000 one you are eating it all up, that ship'll be free [18-Sep-24 07:39 PM] tanda#0000 alright, that will be about 3-4 weeks [18-Sep-24 07:40 PM] getonthetrain#0000 ok, so I need supplies for 1 hab and 2 ext right away to supply you [18-Sep-24 07:40 PM] getonthetrain#0000 I have 1020 MCG 3 BSE and 2 BTA in place [18-Sep-24 07:41 PM] getonthetrain#0000 just stuff I had lying around that I positioned [18-Sep-24 07:41 PM] tanda#0000 if you're running double STO and can spare the cash, I recommend parking materials for the remainder of the 14 extractors and setting them up every week before POPR [18-Sep-24 07:41 PM] tanda#0000 it'll make it seamless, any pop growth will start work immediately [18-Sep-24 07:42 PM] getonthetrain#0000 well, I don't have much cash right now [18-Sep-24 07:42 PM] tanda#0000 if it's a matter of cash, let me know. I've got 150 BSE and BBH sitting on Nike Jr waiting to get picked up [18-Sep-24 07:42 PM] getonthetrain#0000 do have plenty of materials to work into cash though, set up on that front [18-Sep-24 07:42 PM] tanda#0000 and I'm decentish on cashflow at the moment [18-Sep-24 07:42 PM] getonthetrain#0000 If you can bring what I will need to grow with you, I can pay you back in free BRM [18-Sep-24 07:44 PM] tanda#0000 No worries. How many STO/HABs/EXT do you have set up or dispatched currently? [18-Sep-24 07:44 PM] getonthetrain#0000 2 HAB, 3 EXT [18-Sep-24 07:44 PM] getonthetrain#0000 with 1020 MCG 3 BSE and 2 BTA on planet [18-Sep-24 07:45 PM] tanda#0000 alright, I'll pull together a list and see if I can fit it [18-Sep-24 07:45 PM] getonthetrain#0000 1 HAB gives worker space for 2 more EXT which supplies your initial BRM need [18-Sep-24 07:45 PM] tanda#0000 the biggest expenses for these bases is HSE and BSE, lol [18-Sep-24 07:46 PM] getonthetrain#0000 yes, been trying to get HSE on the bid [18-Sep-24 07:46 PM] getonthetrain#0000 Arclight has 10 at nice price [18-Sep-24 07:46 PM] getonthetrain#0000 actually like the whole supply [18-Sep-24 07:47 PM] getonthetrain#0000 I can run to arclightw with a starter ship for the ones we don't need right away [18-Sep-24 07:47 PM] getonthetrain#0000 and save us some cash [18-Sep-24 07:47 PM] tanda#0000 it's 3k a pop, the bases will make more than that per hour when fully set up [18-Sep-24 07:48 PM] tanda#0000 that and I will soon be adding HSE to the list of things I make [18-Sep-24 07:49 PM] getonthetrain#0000 yes, but they have 57 and we can buy them all, use what we need and flip the rest [18-Sep-24 07:49 PM] getonthetrain#0000 57x3 = 171k [18-Sep-24 07:49 PM] tanda#0000 flipping them is a great idea if you have the time, you should do that [18-Sep-24 07:49 PM] getonthetrain#0000 understood then [18-Sep-24 07:51 PM] getonthetrain#0000 oh, I made 100 office supplies and are on planet for when needed [18-Sep-24 07:53 PM] tanda#0000 oops, I just bought 300 for a full stock up. the ones you brought will fit in the SST in about 11 days [18-Sep-24 07:53 PM] getonthetrain#0000 yea, no worries - will eventually be needed [18-Sep-24 07:53 PM] tanda#0000 or you could stock them in now [18-Sep-24 08:17 PM] tanda#0000 ETA 18 hours {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [18-Sep-24 08:34 PM] tanda#0000 oh yeah, while I'm thinking about it, how much BRM do you have on site right now? [18-Sep-24 08:34 PM] tanda#0000 going to need a little bit once I land [18-Sep-24 09:02 PM] getonthetrain#0000 Looks like there will be 208 BRM waiting for you to start with [18-Sep-24 09:02 PM] tanda#0000 excellent, I'll send a cont [18-Sep-24 09:03 PM] tanda#0000 hm, actually could you cont me for it? [18-Sep-24 09:04 PM] getonthetrain#0000 yup [18-Sep-24 09:04 PM] tanda#0000 otherwise it'll stick at fulfilment attempted, and the base drops in an hour [18-Sep-24 09:04 PM] getonthetrain#0000 wait, I thought the ship was coming in about 18 hours - or is that a 2nd ship? [18-Sep-24 09:05 PM] getonthetrain#0000 I have 106 right now and 1hr18 until 51 more BRM [18-Sep-24 09:06 PM] tanda#0000 the ship with my base on it drops in 1 hour, COGC/ADM and the materials for further expanding your base arrives in 18 hours [18-Sep-24 09:06 PM] tanda#0000 there's enough materials involved I'm having to use both of my WCBs for this initial move [18-Sep-24 10:23 PM] tanda#0000 alright, I guess I talk a good game but I don't double check my loadouts [18-Sep-24 10:23 PM] tanda#0000 I sent 1 TRU so I can't even establish a base {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘€ [18-Sep-24 10:24 PM] tanda#0000 I reallllly do not like the "change" button on the loading AMT screen [18-Sep-24 10:25 PM] getonthetrain#0000 yea, it's finicky [18-Sep-24 10:25 PM] tanda#0000 luckily Halcyon next door has 2k/2k warehouses [18-Sep-24 10:26 PM] tanda#0000 so this won't take too long [18-Sep-24 10:26 PM] getonthetrain#0000 oh, good. I was like I don't have any ships even heading to ANT right now to pick some up and send it on its way [18-Sep-24 10:42 PM] getonthetrain#0000 Don't beat yourself up too badly, I brought everything I needed to start here except for basic overalls. My dudes were working at around 58% efficiency and taking nearly a day to complete one cycle [18-Sep-24 10:44 PM] tanda#0000 nah, I'm just intensely annoyed, lol. I gotta turn the second ship around for 8 TRU, rendezvous on Halcyon, then have both of them make it out to YK-266 [18-Sep-24 10:44 PM] tanda#0000 and this isn't the first time this particular issue has gotten me [18-Sep-24 10:44 PM] tanda#0000 I'm about to learn how to use XIT actions [18-Sep-24 10:45 PM] jcheung#0000 i've done this before [18-Sep-24 10:45 PM] jcheung#0000 ....as a matter of fact when i was setting up my base in MOR [18-Sep-24 10:45 PM] jcheung#0000 but i just said fuck it and bought what i needed from CX at 2x the cost [18-Sep-24 10:45 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, not a great option sadly [18-Sep-24 10:46 PM] tanda#0000 closest CX is 18 hours away [18-Sep-24 10:46 PM] tanda#0000 but I feel the spirit [18-Sep-24 10:47 PM] jcheung#0000 unfortunately my closest ship is 9 hrs away from ant ๐Ÿ˜ฆ [18-Sep-24 10:48 PM] tanda#0000 yeah, mine is closer. Got dispatched an hour ago, hits turn around time in 2 hours. I think I'll set an alarm and try to muddle through the turn around [18-Sep-24 10:48 PM] sidepipe#0000 Iโ€™ve got a ship at ANT if that helps [18-Sep-24 10:48 PM] tanda#0000 can redispatch in the morning [18-Sep-24 10:49 PM] tanda#0000 I'm not going to tie someone else's ship down 15 hours for 3 hours of flight time and 7 TRU, lol [18-Sep-24 10:49 PM] sidepipe#0000 Itโ€™s not doing anything else, but up to you ๐Ÿ™‚ [18-Sep-24 10:51 PM] tanda#0000 thank you for the offer, but I just gotta take the "check the manifest" lesson to heart [18-Sep-24 10:51 PM] sidepipe#0000 Itโ€™s a lesson we all learn over and over ๐Ÿ˜„ [18-Sep-24 10:52 PM] jcheung#0000 i check that shit twice and i somehow still miss stuff [18-Sep-24 10:52 PM] tanda#0000 I mean at this point I do go over loads before dispatch [18-Sep-24 10:52 PM] tanda#0000 this is just a large dispatch + I do these like 5-6pm after a day of work [18-Sep-24 10:52 PM] tanda#0000 or worse, at 4am [18-Sep-24 10:53 PM] tanda#0000 stuff happens, I'm just annoyed I'm spending 30k on fuel and 18 hours on 7 TRU [18-Sep-24 10:54 PM] tanda#0000 especially when these two loads were supposed to be the only ships out this way for a month [18-Sep-24 10:54 PM] tanda#0000 https://tenor.com/view/bartlett-west-wing-head-desk-gif-6012433 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/bartlett-west-wing-head-desk-gif-6012433 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/XmbJlomBQqx4RNRqt5k18xOZtinlSefq8T2QRZZWzk8/https/media.tenor.com/54MsSn8iyMgAAAAe/bartlett-west.png [18-Sep-24 10:55 PM] jcheung#0000 yeah [18-Sep-24 10:56 PM] jcheung#0000 that's unfortunate [19-Sep-24 02:43 AM] .nvf#0000 Who do I bother about the grant..? [19-Sep-24 02:43 AM] jvaler#0000 anyone listed in #agp-information [19-Sep-24 02:44 AM] jvaler#0000 or no one and just post your plans in #agp-operations, someone will pick you up =P [19-Sep-24 02:45 AM] .nvf#0000 Thanks! [19-Sep-24 04:29 AM] realharvey#0000 https://tenor.com/view/wink-eye-wink-gif-12352742718877841322 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/wink-eye-wink-gif-12352742718877841322 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/tTqHgabBZvoRWI631hpGX81K3CGqodaraQ_L_SRXimw/https/media.tenor.com/q23CDiCBt6oAAAAe/wink-eye-wink.png [19-Sep-24 08:46 AM] cptboby#0000 Is it worth doing the faction rep contracts? [19-Sep-24 08:47 AM] jvaler#0000 it's not worth it to go out of your way to do them 95% of the time [19-Sep-24 08:47 AM] jvaler#0000 but if it's no extra hassle to you then sure why not do them [19-Sep-24 08:49 AM] marat_sh#0000 I only do deliveries becase usually have some extra space for it [19-Sep-24 10:11 AM] farnite#0000 Ok I am being dumb. I bought some H from cx but it's not in my only ship at the cx.. where did it go lol [19-Sep-24 10:13 AM] sidepipe#0000 Either the warehouse or in your contracts ๐Ÿ™‚ [19-Sep-24 10:13 AM] farnite#0000 Contracts you were right ๐Ÿ™‚ [19-Sep-24 10:13 AM] farnite#0000 Thanks [19-Sep-24 10:39 AM] .nvf#0000 How does upgrading your ships work? [19-Sep-24 10:40 AM] jvaler#0000 you create an upgrade project in a planet's shipyard structure [19-Sep-24 10:40 AM] jvaler#0000 not all planets have one as shipyards are player-built [19-Sep-24 10:41 AM] jvaler#0000 hephaestus is the best one to use in ANT space imo, it's super close to the CX [19-Sep-24 10:46 AM] .nvf#0000 ...The hell is a glass-based STL engine [19-Sep-24 10:48 AM] jvaler#0000 a cheaper engine, but lower power. also a bit lower on the tech tree so it was more useful earlier in the universe imo [19-Sep-24 10:48 AM] .nvf#0000 weird... did we not always start with these same ships? [19-Sep-24 10:49 AM] jvaler#0000 everyone always started with 2 starters afaik, but all ship upgrades and production have to be done by players [19-Sep-24 10:51 AM] jvaler#0000 actually i think this isn't true for all shipyards, it seems some were here since the beginning {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1286353950810968097/image.png?ex=6814e9f9&is=68139879&hm=445e94f0112e0cbc99b2fc9d30213d6b04dc25dca6f214ce5119ec8a8414b70a& [19-Sep-24 10:52 AM] .nvf#0000 Ahh [19-Sep-24 10:53 AM] evov#0000 < I'd recommend against the glass engines / stl only ships. That was the first ship I made for myself long ago. Cheap to get started, but ended up costing more in fuel than a 2k/2k ship with a fuel saving engine. Now that there's a lot more access to cash/loans etc - I'd advise upgrading your starter ships to WCB ships, and then just buy whatever you need (LCB/WCB etc) [19-Sep-24 10:53 AM] .nvf#0000 I was just confused why one engine seemed garbage, and how exactly it was made out of glass [19-Sep-24 10:54 AM] evov#0000 Just cheap. Once upon a time it made sense. [19-Sep-24 10:54 AM] jvaler#0000 game says "just cause" {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1286354766628126720/image.png?ex=6814eabb&is=6813993b&hm=8143e1985df98745a08f299b148fe508181033fe2880b330863b9e2388177672& [19-Sep-24 10:54 AM] .nvf#0000 That's goofy [19-Sep-24 11:01 AM] squidbelt#0000 Rule of cool ๐Ÿ˜Ž [19-Sep-24 11:42 AM] farnite#0000 holy cow ship upgrades are really really expensive lol [19-Sep-24 11:42 AM] farnite#0000 That large crew quarters (CQL) is a killer [19-Sep-24 11:44 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Well for most ships you wonโ€™t need a CQL just a CQM so itโ€™s not as expensive [19-Sep-24 11:46 AM] farnite#0000 Hmm, yeah I think i see what you mean. Can do a large cargo bay instead of high-volume to get back down to CQM [19-Sep-24 11:46 AM] evov#0000 If you're looking to buy a 2k2k ship.... I might know a guy ๐Ÿ™‚ [19-Sep-24 11:48 AM] laaxus#0000 https://tenor.com/view/wallet-penacony-honkai-star-rail-clockie-no-money-gif-14673244072619990643 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/wallet-penacony-honkai-star-rail-clockie-no-money-gif-14673244072619990643 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/GJ6ireSB7X1_HbkxMRK9psJ4RrBPE9bxlZtvdAITpRg/https/media.tenor.com/y6HVvese3nMAAAAe/wallet-penacony.png [19-Sep-24 11:48 AM] farnite#0000 I don't think I have the cash for one atm, but am in the planning stages [19-Sep-24 11:51 AM] evov#0000 Rough guides - If you buy one in parts off the CX - probably about 6.5->6.8mil. From me, 6-6.2 depending on options. From people with monthish wait times <5mil. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [19-Sep-24 03:33 PM] archielvahr#0000 glass engines were added specifically to allow people to make new stl ships without the very highest tier workers. They were sort of the standard option at the start of the universe but I don't think they've seen much action lately. [19-Sep-24 09:56 PM] kynadre#0000 made my first market trip to get another week's worth of basic (and luxury!) pioneer supplies, building materials for another SME, and the O and C to keep smelting what I'm digging out of the ground. Wahoo! [19-Sep-24 09:57 PM] kynadre#0000 I can see why STL fuel can be a hot commodity trying to speed up a flight to land at a time you can actually play, and not, you know, have to wait overnight for something XD [19-Sep-24 09:57 PM] getonthetrain#0000 prob not worth it to bump STL flight bar beyond 2-4 hits [19-Sep-24 09:58 PM] getonthetrain#0000 diminishing returns [19-Sep-24 10:02 PM] kynadre#0000 Yeah no kidding [19-Sep-24 10:02 PM] kynadre#0000 spending 250 fuel vs. 150 to save not even 20% of flight duration is so not worth it [19-Sep-24 10:02 PM] kynadre#0000 I'll just alarm clock >>; lmfao [19-Sep-24 10:10 PM] tanda#0000 I work 10-12 hours a day with limited time to check my phone during that time [19-Sep-24 10:10 PM] tanda#0000 and I adore my sleep [19-Sep-24 10:10 PM] tanda#0000 I'm gonna burn the fuel [19-Sep-24 10:16 PM] kynadre#0000 Whew yeah no kidding [19-Sep-24 10:21 PM] marat_sh#0000 I sync my ships to 9 am - 9 pm {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ (2) [20-Sep-24 01:56 AM] .nvf#0000 ...Where does money come from? [20-Sep-24 01:56 AM] .nvf#0000 Are there NPC buy orders? [20-Sep-24 02:03 AM] getonthetrain#0000 some things have market makers that buy and sell [20-Sep-24 02:03 AM] getonthetrain#0000 I would imagine most money comes from IDC/EDC bases [20-Sep-24 02:04 AM] .nvf#0000 what are those? [20-Sep-24 02:10 AM] jcheung#0000 Low input items that has npc buyers at decently high price [20-Sep-24 02:10 AM] jcheung#0000 Well. Low material input. Expensive material input. [20-Sep-24 02:11 AM] .nvf#0000 ahhh [20-Sep-24 02:11 AM] .nvf#0000 low but guaranteed money, essentially? [20-Sep-24 02:13 AM] jcheung#0000 For now [20-Sep-24 02:13 AM] jcheung#0000 Recently had a price decrease [20-Sep-24 02:13 AM] jcheung#0000 May have more adjustments in future [20-Sep-24 02:16 AM] .nvf#0000 gotta kickstart a player economy somehow [20-Sep-24 02:17 AM] .nvf#0000 Tanda of Silent Running, if you're in here, thankyou for breaking your shipping contracts in to 250t packages [20-Sep-24 02:17 AM] .nvf#0000 I wish more people did the same [20-Sep-24 05:13 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Currently looking into building up my smelting base in Deimos. I tested a bit in Prun Planner, and it seems like extracting your own ALO increases my profit, but I heard people say not to build to much EXT... what are the opinions to that? [20-Sep-24 05:14 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I could make like 4 EXT to 16 SME, which would mean I need to import ore. Or I could have like 7 or 8 EXT and produce my ore myself [20-Sep-24 05:14 AM] pxlfox.#0000 which would - as prun planner at least says - give me around 4000-8000 more profit [20-Sep-24 05:14 AM] laaxus#0000 That's because smelting Al is a very Bad business atm [20-Sep-24 05:15 AM] laaxus#0000 Extracting Alo is more profitable than smelting al [20-Sep-24 05:15 AM] laaxus#0000 But that should not be the case [20-Sep-24 05:16 AM] laaxus#0000 Honestly, currently, there isn't a "very good" recipe for sme [20-Sep-24 05:16 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Do I get a full refund when deconstructing buildings? [20-Sep-24 05:16 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Because then I could just switch later, when the market is more AL-leaning [20-Sep-24 05:17 AM] pxlfox.#0000 and adjust the ratio as needed [20-Sep-24 05:27 AM] .nvf#0000 For the first hour yes, after that no. [20-Sep-24 05:28 AM] laaxus#0000 It's ok to extract ALO and smelt it Or extract ALO and stock it You're creating value anyway [20-Sep-24 05:29 AM] pxlfox.#0000 makes sense, since the builings are degrading over time... do you get any refund, or is the building just... gone? [20-Sep-24 05:31 AM] evov#0000 Out of curiosity, what price would AL need to be at before it's no longer bad business? [20-Sep-24 05:33 AM] .nvf#0000 You get a few of the parts, but it's not really worth taking in to account - budget for a full replacement {Reactions} โœ… [20-Sep-24 05:33 AM] .nvf#0000 Depends on the cost of C and O and FLX and ALO [20-Sep-24 05:35 AM] laaxus#0000 At current prices, with a full base of AL, you make a daily profit of 38k Here's what would be the profit for different AL price : 800 -> 56.6k 850 -> 67k 900 -> 78k 950 -> 88k 1000 -> 98k Up to you to decide what is a good business, but I think we can agree that 38k is bad business {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [20-Sep-24 05:39 AM] .nvf#0000 For someone that has no point of reference, 38k could be the standard [20-Sep-24 05:39 AM] laaxus#0000 it really isn't I consider 50k for a 500 area base to be the absolute minimum I would accept {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [20-Sep-24 05:42 AM] pxlfox.#0000 for SME, nearly everything else is more profitable {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1286638512120139897/image.png?ex=6814a17d&is=68134ffd&hm=928b0fe540d5c40131581266659bf0158bc8e1061b764543ea9b150d91041d16& [20-Sep-24 05:48 AM] evov#0000 I find people's connection to pricing super interesting sometimes. If it's not worth making it below 800/unit. Why would you be selling it for 749/unit? [20-Sep-24 05:49 AM] .nvf#0000 You underestimate the market power of "I don't care, I don't want this shit in my warehouse anymore." [20-Sep-24 05:49 AM] evov#0000 Yea, that makes sense I guess. [20-Sep-24 05:49 AM] .nvf#0000 There ARE reasons to sell at a loss, but none of them really apply to this game, since there's no tax or anything like that [20-Sep-24 05:50 AM] pxlfox.#0000 judging by the comments AL wasn't always that bad - so many probably already have a fully developed AL SME base and just dont want to wreck it, because the ROI is not as high as it used to be {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [20-Sep-24 05:50 AM] evov#0000 Yea, it's moreso, the question of valuation. It's interesting. How and why people come up with the numbers they do. [20-Sep-24 05:51 AM] laaxus#0000 because sometimes, you need to sell it to have to money to buy input goods [20-Sep-24 05:51 AM] laaxus#0000 and that liquid money can grow, sitting order does not [20-Sep-24 05:53 AM] jvaler#0000 this isn't because AL is bad, ALO is just unusually expensive right now [20-Sep-24 05:53 AM] laaxus#0000 same thing [20-Sep-24 05:53 AM] laaxus#0000 price in absolute terms means nothing [20-Sep-24 05:53 AM] jvaler#0000 well not if you're buying off deimos LM [20-Sep-24 05:53 AM] laaxus#0000 price only have meaning in relation to another item [20-Sep-24 05:54 AM] laaxus#0000 here, the price of AL related to ALO is bad [20-Sep-24 05:54 AM] laaxus#0000 saying that ALO is too expensive (related to C for example) or AL too cheap (taking C again for reference) is exactly the same [20-Sep-24 05:58 AM] laaxus#0000 No wonder the ALO business is bad, the profit per permit is just not good enough for old players Only for new players would that be interesting {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1286642630721273958/image.png?ex=6814a553&is=681353d3&hm=3609fa5faf18bb12a56932883cc8e790a97a2689d44c9c0f6639b0ff1ef008d7& [20-Sep-24 06:06 AM] .nvf#0000 Eventually it'll drop far enough for the magnates to take notice [20-Sep-24 06:12 AM] .nvf#0000 gold and lithium seem like the most profitable things to smelt right now [20-Sep-24 06:23 AM] .nvf#0000 I bought a shitload of sulfur crystals, so I'll work through those then reassess [20-Sep-24 07:16 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Guys, I know this sounds crazy, but I have the feeling AL is going to EXPLODE soon. I mean, look at all the fuzz lately about it. More and more people join, most of them noobs like me producing cheep AL, flooding the market. I'm sure there is a shark out there WAITING to buy a huge load. I even have evidence - LOOK! [20-Sep-24 07:16 AM] pxlfox.#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1286662272499843203/stock_goes_boom.webp?ex=6814b79e&is=6813661e&hm=e9a5934bc5c4032be23288447b6c489d8095123d31d05cc5bcf527edc3f4bcf7& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1286662272902758472/stock_goes_boom_chart.png?ex=6814b79e&is=6813661e&hm=5c5ef29eb3d1ccf798292b81953f205db2e093f200d3e9cd540ee08b442f4d46& [20-Sep-24 07:17 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Pretty sure prices going up in ... idk, the next 24 hours [20-Sep-24 08:07 AM] manhim#0000 AL goes brr [20-Sep-24 08:13 AM] laaxus#0000 I have the exact opposite prediction [20-Sep-24 08:13 AM] laaxus#0000 to me, AL price wil fall [20-Sep-24 08:13 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1286676734803972116/image.png?ex=6814c516&is=68137396&hm=27ecba52fc5acf7c5542ccc0b0bfb9848241b3a6e3038a0eada62a1b43101e41& [20-Sep-24 08:14 AM] manhim#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1286676932255027253/image.png?ex=6814c545&is=681373c5&hm=11f000083a0c0b9aa88cf1b773917d35fffd8fcd09d88a4a0038b89c2c23e23a& [20-Sep-24 08:15 AM] manhim#0000 Just got 30M traded on AL.AI1 [20-Sep-24 08:15 AM] laaxus#0000 I mean, it might rise because of Gateways [20-Sep-24 08:15 AM] laaxus#0000 but I don't consider gateways time to be usual business [20-Sep-24 08:15 AM] evov#0000 I didn't think gateways were in the game yet? [20-Sep-24 08:15 AM] laaxus#0000 they aren't [20-Sep-24 08:16 AM] laaxus#0000 but people are getting ready for it [20-Sep-24 08:16 AM] evov#0000 Fair enough [20-Sep-24 08:19 AM] manhim#0000 How'd you get this nice looking graph? [20-Sep-24 08:19 AM] laaxus#0000 prunplanner [20-Sep-24 08:58 AM] realharvey#0000 1 AL costs about 444 AIC to make (For me). Current AL prices have a really high margin [20-Sep-24 08:59 AM] realharvey#0000 this usually leads to people producing it internally because its way cheaper (Thats what I do) [20-Sep-24 09:00 AM] realharvey#0000 long Term AL prices will fall. Gateways on the other hand will probably stirr up the market big time and a lot of products will rise in prices [20-Sep-24 09:00 AM] laaxus#0000 that's because you set your alo ext margin to 0 [20-Sep-24 09:01 AM] realharvey#0000 ALO costs 21 AIC to make [20-Sep-24 09:01 AM] realharvey#0000 so I set it to 80 AIC [20-Sep-24 09:02 AM] laaxus#0000 I mean, to me an AL cost 550 to make [20-Sep-24 09:02 AM] laaxus#0000 still a margin, not a big enough margin [20-Sep-24 09:03 AM] realharvey#0000 current AL price is 892 AIC [20-Sep-24 09:03 AM] realharvey#0000 I'd call that quite a nice margin [20-Sep-24 09:03 AM] laaxus#0000 because someone bought 1M worth of AL today [20-Sep-24 09:03 AM] laaxus#0000 yesterday, AL price was 749 [20-Sep-24 09:04 AM] realharvey#0000 at ASK? [20-Sep-24 09:04 AM] laaxus#0000 yes [20-Sep-24 09:04 AM] realharvey#0000 750 AIC is definitly a reasonable price [20-Sep-24 09:05 AM] evov#0000 How do you know how much was bought? Is it a prunplaner thing? [20-Sep-24 09:06 AM] .urpalhal#0000 How much AL was bought? [20-Sep-24 09:06 AM] laaxus#0000 nevermind around 30M worth of al were bought [20-Sep-24 09:06 AM] .urpalhal#0000 Itโ€™s in the game on the candle chart [20-Sep-24 09:06 AM] laaxus#0000 small correction [20-Sep-24 09:06 AM] laaxus#0000 38k [20-Sep-24 09:07 AM] realharvey#0000 you can check it in Prun in the chart TAB {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1286690121667711149/image.png?ex=6814d18e&is=6813800e&hm=9e16208a6f491f48b9ae4a2cb4767922de60c3e58252e854ac3e3cd7c18d70f1& [20-Sep-24 09:07 AM] realharvey#0000 but its green so someone filled a big Buy order [20-Sep-24 09:07 AM] realharvey#0000 nothing really got traded at ask price [20-Sep-24 09:08 AM] laaxus#0000 green means price increased [20-Sep-24 09:08 AM] evov#0000 How did the price go up... if it was all just filling buy orders? Wouldn't someone have to actually buy at the ask price for it to go up? [20-Sep-24 09:08 AM] jcheung#0000 What do you mean [20-Sep-24 09:09 AM] realharvey#0000 i've been reading it wron then. Thanks for the correction ^^ [20-Sep-24 09:09 AM] laaxus#0000 not necessarely Someone can fill ask order -> someone put higher bid order -> someone fill bid order at higher price [20-Sep-24 09:10 AM] laaxus#0000 but anyway green means price increase, red means price decrease [20-Sep-24 09:20 AM] sidepipe#0000 Itโ€™s confusing, but Iโ€™m pretty sure the candlestick tracks the last _traded_ price, not bid or ask [20-Sep-24 09:20 AM] manhim#0000 Yup [20-Sep-24 09:21 AM] manhim#0000 There's a lot of missing metrics compared to trading platforms. I'd like to be able to see volume traded per price ranges. Would give a good idea of where the price pressures are. [20-Sep-24 09:23 AM] marat_sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1286694131095048232/image.png?ex=6814d54a&is=681383ca&hm=9190d3b56f5ba7e92e6544d2c3cfc0a68df583815ab9a5a79f2abcaec8d24233& [20-Sep-24 09:23 AM] marat_sh#0000 Pressure points [20-Sep-24 09:23 AM] manhim#0000 Yeah, this is order-based, but not transaction-based [20-Sep-24 09:24 AM] sidepipe#0000 But the orders determine what the transactions can be. At least thatโ€™s how I like to think of it [20-Sep-24 09:24 AM] evov#0000 I supose you can't really tell how much was traded at what price, only the start price and the end point and the total volume. For all you know 90% of it was bought at the top, or the bottom end of that candle stick. [20-Sep-24 09:24 AM] manhim#0000 Yeah, pretty much [20-Sep-24 09:24 AM] marat_sh#0000 you can if it's in 24 h [20-Sep-24 09:24 AM] laaxus#0000 thx for informing me of evo price [20-Sep-24 09:24 AM] manhim#0000 If I could get all transactions data I could make some pretty graphs [20-Sep-24 09:24 AM] laaxus#0000 now I can undercut him [20-Sep-24 09:24 AM] marat_sh#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1286694590367137893/image.png?ex=6814d5b7&is=68138437&hm=2c719e9d28046c8097ae48fce208bc68ae19ff7b8d9939e91b9f871f74db3394& [20-Sep-24 09:25 AM] sidepipe#0000 Yeah, thereโ€™s some educated guessing there. I do look at avg price per u traded sometimes, but it doesnโ€™t feel super useful for my purposes ultimately [20-Sep-24 09:25 AM] marat_sh#0000 ๐Ÿ˜… ๐Ÿ‘ [20-Sep-24 09:25 AM] evov#0000 The issue with looking at posted volumes to identify pressure points, is that there's no way to know how much volume is sitting in peoples warehouses. [20-Sep-24 09:25 AM] marat_sh#0000 you will never know And trust me You don't want to know [20-Sep-24 09:26 AM] sidepipe#0000 Which is why itโ€™s just better to move fast and break things in the market ๐Ÿ˜„ [20-Sep-24 09:26 AM] marat_sh#0000 Wary about what it is right now instead of what it could be [20-Sep-24 09:27 AM] laaxus#0000 update {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1286695127645032488/image.png?ex=6814d638&is=681384b8&hm=65c49926496ef869fc75d50ef528cc03d0a6d65139602a06973156b27e7ad574& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [20-Sep-24 09:27 AM] marat_sh#0000 there is no way to plan around when random person can drop multi mil ask order below yours [20-Sep-24 09:28 AM] sidepipe#0000 So you import huge amounts of MED from another CX and get undercut by allocater in less than 24 hours. Not that Iโ€™m speaking from experience or anything {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [20-Sep-24 09:31 AM] evov#0000 That'll happen. I think playing on the CX is fun and interesting... but it's not really creating value. Maybe a little bit is created when you transport goods from one area to another, but for the most part it doesn't actually create anything. Production capacity is what's important when it comes to growing/developing a universe imo [20-Sep-24 09:31 AM] laaxus#0000 margin trade does create value [20-Sep-24 09:44 AM] sidepipe#0000 Margin trade is an important part of creating efficient markets when I do it, but evil when anyone else does it ๐Ÿ˜› {Reactions} ๐Ÿง  (2) [20-Sep-24 09:45 AM] laaxus#0000 anybody is free to put a lower ask order than the margin trader [20-Sep-24 09:45 AM] laaxus#0000 ยฏ\_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ [20-Sep-24 09:49 AM] sidepipe#0000 Iโ€™m just joking, margin trade away. Iโ€™d do more of it to get some small return out of my cash, but itโ€™s just too much work for me right now ๐Ÿ˜„ [20-Sep-24 09:50 AM] sidepipe#0000 Iโ€™m sure itโ€™s a lot easier if you have good tools for market exploration, I just havenโ€™t made any yet [20-Sep-24 09:50 AM] laaxus#0000 you can always put cash deposit at shrewdsun bank for a 2% weekly return [20-Sep-24 09:50 AM] realharvey#0000 I'd fear that shrewdsun will burn out because he grew so quickly [20-Sep-24 09:51 AM] laaxus#0000 imagine he does a madof {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [20-Sep-24 09:51 AM] sidepipe#0000 I could, but big numbers in my account make me feel cool ๐Ÿ˜ [20-Sep-24 09:51 AM] realharvey#0000 which is why i'd rather put my money into grants than doing that [20-Sep-24 09:51 AM] realharvey#0000 you could buy lots of NA [20-Sep-24 09:51 AM] realharvey#0000 you have big stock then aswell [20-Sep-24 09:52 AM] sidepipe#0000 I have 1000s of NA already. I canโ€™t even give it away for free here ๐Ÿ˜„ [20-Sep-24 09:52 AM] sidepipe#0000 I just ran a CL base for months and never sold any - felt like a waste to dump it into the MM [20-Sep-24 09:53 AM] evov#0000 meh, it's a sandbox game. If someone wants to live out their dreams of going full madof, go for it imo. I think you need a few irrational actors to keep things interesting. [20-Sep-24 09:56 AM] sidepipe#0000 I personally just havenโ€™t invested because Iโ€™ve been tentatively planning to do something my cash for months. I just need to figure out what to do [20-Sep-24 09:56 AM] sidepipe#0000 That and Iโ€™ve occasionally been able to get >2% return in the FX [20-Sep-24 09:57 AM] evov#0000 Well, if whatever you want to do involves needing more ships . . . I might know a guy ๐Ÿ™‚ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜„ [20-Sep-24 09:57 AM] laaxus#0000 tell me why I should buy your ships and not the one of the competition 1M5 AIC cheaper ? [20-Sep-24 09:57 AM] laaxus#0000 sell yourself ๐Ÿ™‚ [20-Sep-24 09:58 AM] evov#0000 Because you can have them today. Not a month from now. [20-Sep-24 09:58 AM] laaxus#0000 ah so you're aiming for the filthy rich [20-Sep-24 09:59 AM] realharvey#0000 he is cheaper than OOG [20-Sep-24 10:00 AM] evov#0000 No, I just recognise the value of being able to get what you need now, instead of later. For the same reason there's a price gap between asks and bids. [20-Sep-24 10:00 AM] sidepipe#0000 ๐ŸŽถIf you have spare liquidity and you need ships now - call Evo shipyards, 877-ships-now!๐ŸŽถ [20-Sep-24 10:01 AM] sidepipe#0000 (Iโ€™m pretty sure I saw someone else make that joke already) [20-Sep-24 10:01 AM] evov#0000 Or even without spare liquidity. I've sold ships for DW before, and FIM. [20-Sep-24 10:01 AM] sidepipe#0000 Spare, uh, value then? Spare current assets doesnโ€™t really fit in the song ๐Ÿ˜„ [20-Sep-24 10:01 AM] realharvey#0000 or give a longer pay window [20-Sep-24 10:02 AM] evov#0000 I'm surprisingly flexible. [20-Sep-24 10:03 AM] evov#0000 The reality is that even at the price I'm charging... it's about half a mil less than I get selling it as parts on the CX. And puts the value of all the bases involved somewhere between EPO and EDC with respect to $/Area [20-Sep-24 10:06 AM] sidepipe#0000 How many bases do you use for your shipbuilding? Just curious ๐Ÿ™‚ [20-Sep-24 10:06 AM] evov#0000 Its hard to say because some bases aren't 100% into ships etc. Like, epo, pg etc get used in multiple areas [20-Sep-24 10:07 AM] sidepipe#0000 Fair - Iโ€™ve never touched shipbuilding myself. My most complicated supply chain is FIM ๐Ÿ˜„ [20-Sep-24 10:09 AM] evov#0000 This is my list of bui's / bases I'd say between 50-70% go towards building ships. I don't do all my own smelting, but I think 95% of everything past the metals (AL/TI etc) I do myself. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1286705702080872459/image.png?ex=6814e011&is=68138e91&hm=3c0e3f04ca1095d7952be2b2c7c9c012f7068a52b9a3bdb6794324e0b77b02e0& [20-Sep-24 10:09 AM] evov#0000 So I end up buying a lot of AL/TI/STL etc off the CX. And maybe 50% of the raw materials [20-Sep-24 10:10 AM] laaxus#0000 what % of your base goes into ship production ? [20-Sep-24 10:10 AM] laaxus#0000 nvm i cant read [20-Sep-24 10:10 AM] laaxus#0000 happens [20-Sep-24 10:10 AM] realharvey#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1286706173373976729/image.png?ex=6814e081&is=68138f01&hm=9994cfe90aaf576f88ada6c4e00929616da74c5332a8d0344dad3e3f3c2278d4& [20-Sep-24 10:10 AM] evov#0000 Between 50-70%. It's hard to be exact on that [20-Sep-24 10:11 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1286706291678642186/That_Sign_Cant_Stop_Me_Because_I_Cant_Read.webp?ex=6814e09d&is=68138f1d&hm=ea625a493135c94185c5e6fdbe6c5f608a6f2e8fc19aeab010375314c040d051& [20-Sep-24 10:11 AM] realharvey#0000 https://tenor.com/view/aidan-gif-21802068 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/aidan-gif-21802068 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/ikfQm3236hsQWKH8936kyTFAICDv0vYJw-crA12kGek/https/media.tenor.com/ojOhi3UeDrsAAAAe/aidan.png [20-Sep-24 10:11 AM] evov#0000 APF's which mostly go into ship building.... also make HQ upgrade stuff like ADS/LOG etc. Same with electronics inputs for those things. [20-Sep-24 10:12 AM] evov#0000 Same base that makes LFE/MFE/SFE - also just sells off spare capacitor banks for MM cash. Things like that make it hard to pin down. [20-Sep-24 10:12 AM] realharvey#0000 I make LSE, LDE, LBH, AL, PG [20-Sep-24 10:13 AM] sidepipe#0000 And maybe LDE on the side? ๐Ÿ˜ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [20-Sep-24 10:14 AM] evov#0000 There's a lot of electronics bases that I could just.... stop doing ship stuff on and start making IDC's as an example [20-Sep-24 10:14 AM] evov#0000 I used to make a lot of LDE before I started making ships. Now they just fill out the rest of a base until I need it for something else [20-Sep-24 10:15 AM] laaxus#0000 I respect shipbuilding IDC/EDC base on the other hand ... [20-Sep-24 10:15 AM] evov#0000 The lde is definitely just a "side gig" for that base {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1286707252161417236/image.png?ex=6814e182&is=68139002&hm=a8bcc004ef52c6161dbc4fa99e1d8b923b777ad3c35f23e92651954d09d0e2cb& [20-Sep-24 10:15 AM] laaxus#0000 if there's any profession that deserve 300k per base, it's ship building [20-Sep-24 10:15 AM] laaxus#0000 at least they create real value [20-Sep-24 10:15 AM] getonthetrain#0000 I don't know why the devs chose a no input thing to give rich folks free cash [20-Sep-24 10:15 AM] evov#0000 It doesn't get anywhere close to that. It's about 100-150ish averaged out across all the bases needed. [20-Sep-24 10:16 AM] getonthetrain#0000 ship parts would have fit the lore anyways, heading into new space would mean lots of ships needed [20-Sep-24 10:16 AM] laaxus#0000 still good [20-Sep-24 10:16 AM] evov#0000 I do have 2 IDC bases though. I built them after I finished building out the ship building network because cashflow was becomming a major concern. I needed something liquid I could quickly sell as needed. [20-Sep-24 10:17 AM] evov#0000 Yea, at 6mil per ship, it's definitely worth it to keep building them. If I was getting 5mil.... I'd start ripping down bases and make something else and just convert my existing stock into ships for myself. [20-Sep-24 10:19 AM] evov#0000 But you gotta understand, the cost to set up a ship building pipeline, is about the same cost as one of these new gateways. There's a lot of "stock" in the system. And you can't really start the next step until you've got a decent amount of inputs built up from the previous step [20-Sep-24 10:20 AM] laaxus#0000 guys I found the real money hack no bambzoule [20-Sep-24 10:20 AM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1286708644938907709/image.png?ex=6814e2ce&is=6813914e&hm=899a39c637f621519b80eb87bce3b81e04def49a2bf6a4d05a73cc2383d9229e& [20-Sep-24 10:21 AM] razenpok#0000 Jesus Christ, it's like this on every CX. That's 59000+ units of AL in total {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1286708851151867925/image.png?ex=6814e300&is=68139180&hm=651e3945825624d482b5c113c41c9fdbd07a41ccfa8ad2382000b77e727d5f41& [20-Sep-24 10:22 AM] razenpok#0000 https://tenor.com/view/was-this-legal-boiler-room-wolf-of-wall-street-leonardo-di-caprio-jordan-belfort-gif-13621914 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/was-this-legal-boiler-room-wolf-of-wall-street-leonardo-di-caprio-jordan-belfort-gif-13621914 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/zK2YwmDEfZOUgtilC1E_9UkhD9Wo4mWC7emfMWQv1xA/https/media.tenor.com/xnLqOCvQeHwAAAAe/was-this-legal-boiler-room.png [20-Sep-24 10:22 AM] laaxus#0000 What is this guy planning to do with 60k al [20-Sep-24 10:22 AM] sidepipe#0000 Anyone have their asks filled so we can see who bought it? ๐Ÿ˜„ [20-Sep-24 10:22 AM] sidepipe#0000 Maybe theyโ€™re prepping for a gateway? [20-Sep-24 10:22 AM] evov#0000 How can you tell how much is bought? [20-Sep-24 10:22 AM] sidepipe#0000 I think one with full upgrades uses ~20-30k AL [20-Sep-24 10:23 AM] laaxus#0000 for all i know it's @evov {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1286709247282778122/image.png?ex=6814e35e&is=681391de&hm=1ac38c3049e636733b4a5a76f2c6a1bd98dab8197f3879711d4df6fd98e14bc7& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [20-Sep-24 10:23 AM] sidepipe#0000 Boom, blame assigned ๐Ÿ˜‚ [20-Sep-24 10:23 AM] evov#0000 Yea, I saw you 749 AL and thought... I gotta have it [20-Sep-24 10:23 AM] razenpok#0000 47m money-worth [20-Sep-24 10:24 AM] evov#0000 hmm yeah ok about 60k sounds about right [20-Sep-24 10:25 AM] jcheung#0000 that's a lot of AL [20-Sep-24 10:26 AM] evov#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1286709978106822746/evovcx.jpg?ex=6814e40c&is=6813928c&hm=4885455983952794164880e7bb8adff5e75b6e380046a5accd14b70b68b11f2b& [20-Sep-24 10:26 AM] laaxus#0000 but why [20-Sep-24 10:26 AM] laaxus#0000 it's not like ANT gonna run out of AL [20-Sep-24 10:27 AM] marat_sh#0000 since there is no auto trade It's better to do one trade once then do it every day [20-Sep-24 10:27 AM] laaxus#0000 there's an auto trade, it's called bid orders [20-Sep-24 10:27 AM] marat_sh#0000 you have to micro it so you always at the top [20-Sep-24 10:35 AM] razenpok#0000 You can see the stats of any candle by hovering the mouse over it. 1 is units traded, 2 is the currency amount {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1286712263662764083/image.png?ex=6814e62d&is=681394ad&hm=5921f1a12751ce5fa85d31a4fa458c13496ba617f9f972db054b18c096b7922e& [20-Sep-24 10:37 AM] evov#0000 Nice. Though, the 29.8m is off a bit I think. [20-Sep-24 10:37 AM] razenpok#0000 wdym [20-Sep-24 10:37 AM] evov#0000 I mean, I don't think that the correct number. [20-Sep-24 10:37 AM] razenpok#0000 That's the exact number traded [20-Sep-24 10:38 AM] razenpok#0000 This number is calculated on the server after every trade, so it must be correct [20-Sep-24 10:38 AM] marat_sh#0000 it is correct [20-Sep-24 10:38 AM] marat_sh#0000 28mil+ trade [20-Sep-24 10:43 AM] evov#0000 Ahh nvm I understand it now. I thought I was missing 5mil somewhere. [20-Sep-24 12:26 PM] kynadre#0000 man, shipbuilding, what a production pipeline that is, esp. with all the different choices. That was making my head spin a bit when I was looking at materials I could extract and "what are they actually used for" [20-Sep-24 01:21 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Shipbuilding actually isn't all that bad... I've had to maintain a single ship-building permit at Nike for years, since the market never actually met my needs, at all (especially some time ago, when there were no CX offerings for any parts). ASM mats were "corrected" some time of about a year ago. FFCs + engines + emitters got "corrected" at about the same time. Pretty much the entirety of the market has shifted towards internal production, and non-CX offerings. You've got production lines for the SKF stuff (cargo/fuel bays), the HWP/WEL (structural stuff), and the STL/FTL engines w/ Emitters, and you have some minor contingent for the electronics for Command Bridges + FFCs. It's really not much of an issue, if you keep in touch with what the market can offer, at reasonable rates. Beyond that you'll just have to adjust, to avoid cutting off an arm and leg, so that you'll have access to some high-margin items that are made available on the CX, intermittently. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [20-Sep-24 01:22 PM] kynadre#0000 That makes sense. Every time I see something ship-related in the production planner things, while looking at what minerals n such to dig up, they're used so rarely that it makes sense why their prices are jacked up. They're really not sustainable as the "main" thing someone does [20-Sep-24 01:22 PM] kynadre#0000 which begets the problem [20-Sep-24 01:24 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 The low-tier, raw materials, are usually a "surplus" market thing... No one is buying... People who extract it... Will have an excess. This is a prunplanner "law", since no one ever builds some processing base, without having some sort of excess production, which they then get rid of, on the cheap.... Unless they're actively using the CX, to fuel their operations (this explains some of the erratic behavior on the low-tier I/O materials on the markets... Metals, low --> mid range electronics, et.c. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [20-Sep-24 01:28 PM] kynadre#0000 That definitely makes sense. For that sort of thing, everyone's going to just get it themself, at a base where they can primarily get something they -actually- make their bread and butter money on. Just work it into the extraction cycle once in a while as needed [20-Sep-24 01:47 PM] evov#0000 There's just a lot of intermediate steps between raw materials and ships. And a lot of those intermediate steps don't really have another use. If you're making a complicated machine with 50 parts, and it's completely useless if you only have 49 of the parts... supply security starts to be come more important than sourcing the cheapest way to source things. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [20-Sep-24 01:49 PM] kynadre#0000 it seems it's an area of the game that could use more demand and more supply simultaneously, aka, it needs to be a more active market and also be worth peoples' time to make it a thing they do. In other words, basically a game population issue at this point? [20-Sep-24 01:51 PM] evov#0000 If you're making fabs, and you run out of NR.. you can just be like... oh well, I guess I'll make ABH next week and just punch out some ASE for now. If you're focused on consumables, and you can't make MEA at the moment.... you just keep making more of the other stuff, and it doesn't have any impact on your PT or HMS production lines because they can all be sold separately. People tend to look at you funny when you want to sell them a ship without a fuel tank. {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ this [20-Sep-24 01:54 PM] evov#0000 So there's just long lists of inputs, and if you run out of any of them, multiple bases can come to a grinding halt pretty quick. [20-Sep-24 01:55 PM] kynadre#0000 Really need a lot of buffer, then, a lot of cash just tied up in resources you don't need all that much of, but you can't afford to run out of [20-Sep-24 01:57 PM] evov#0000 Yea. At the start, I was constantly making trips to and from bases with near empty ships because (in hindsight) I tried to spool up too quickly without waiting to build up enough of a buffer from the previous step. [20-Sep-24 01:59 PM] kynadre#0000 The first trip to the CX to get a few more days' buffer of food and smelter stuff (O, C), and I'm like, this takes HOW much STL fuel??? really made me rethink trip frequency and understand how other players are playing, too [20-Sep-24 01:59 PM] kynadre#0000 also makes me want to prioritize both the CF production line and the fuel production as my goals before looking at something like food (since a lot of other folks doing food atm I think) [20-Sep-24 02:00 PM] evov#0000 Where possible, I'll have a full ship either to or from a base ( rarely both ) But sometimes, you gotta do what you gotta do. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [20-Sep-24 02:00 PM] kynadre#0000 sucks that even if Phobos were changed to a fuel production bonus, I still don't think it's a good base cuz the GAL is such a low %, but I could be wrong. It's really just a newbro trap with how high the upfront material costs are, fuel production [20-Sep-24 02:05 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Generally, you're looking at something like 150 SF + 150 FF usages, across the board.. Could be much less, depending on your engines. That metric defines break-even prices for contract shipping, at 16 creds, per commodity, across the board... Most STL hauls are below that, and most higher-tier FTL jobs, are above that. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [20-Sep-24 02:06 PM] kynadre#0000 Thanks for the metric! That makes sense [20-Sep-24 02:06 PM] kynadre#0000 it's FF that flexes the most depending on how far from the CX but that burn to the CX itself is expensive [20-Sep-24 02:06 PM] kynadre#0000 at least for a newbro [20-Sep-24 02:06 PM] kynadre#0000 makes sense that's why it's got so much more in the beginner ship cargo [20-Sep-24 02:06 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 There's like a handful of other mechanics regarding it... I wouldn't want to spend more time in say FK-794, or SE-110 system, than I have to, in transit, with an FTL, since the operating environments are harsher than say VH-331. [20-Sep-24 02:07 PM] kynadre#0000 aha, the micrometeors or whatever they're called [20-Sep-24 02:07 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Yes, they hurt, if you're travelling between planets, in said systems. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [20-Sep-24 02:08 PM] kynadre#0000 makes sense, where trying to conserve STL fuel will end up costing you way more in repair costs down the line [20-Sep-24 02:08 PM] kynadre#0000 I'm learning so many factors these past few days [20-Sep-24 02:08 PM] kynadre#0000 love the complexity [20-Sep-24 03:19 PM] kynadre#0000 @scintillating_iridescence thanks again, CF was the idea since someone had expressed interest in regularly buying and I figure that gets me funds towards setting up the fuel base [20-Sep-24 03:21 PM] kynadre#0000 I figure that's my working plan for the next few months anyway, getting some starting funds and helping with whatever the new fuel will be in addition to existing fuel needs [21-Sep-24 01:16 AM] kynadre#0000 when my ships are idle I'll look for courier contracts that are at least at-cost for fuel, try and be a bit helpful cuz I totally get it xD [21-Sep-24 01:17 AM] kynadre#0000 tho I s'pose some of those are intended for people who're making their own partial-load trips anyway, to refund their fuel cost for travel [22-Sep-24 12:20 AM] .nvf#0000 Is there a way to see the orders i've placed? [22-Sep-24 12:20 AM] .nvf#0000 I want to make sure my sulfur has sold before listing more [22-Sep-24 12:21 AM] evov#0000 cxos [22-Sep-24 12:22 AM] .nvf#0000 Thanks! [22-Sep-24 11:42 PM] .nvf#0000 Those NPC contracts that come through three at a time [22-Sep-24 11:43 PM] .nvf#0000 Do they keep coming forever? Are they paying market price for the provisioning ones? [22-Sep-24 11:44 PM] tanda#0000 Forever, and not always. You'll need to eyeball it {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [22-Sep-24 11:45 PM] .nvf#0000 Gotcha [22-Sep-24 11:46 PM] kynadre#0000 are the faction points they give actually good for something or it's kind of just headpats? [22-Sep-24 11:53 PM] tanda#0000 Headpats.. Maybe it has some influence on the quality of rewards {Reactions} pandathinking [22-Sep-24 11:54 PM] kynadre#0000 will see! [22-Sep-24 11:54 PM] kynadre#0000 Also I got smart and labeled my ships by where I intend them to go next [23-Sep-24 02:03 AM] razenpok#0000 Sometimes you get a nice one, like "repair a ship" or "build a new ship" [23-Sep-24 02:04 AM] razenpok#0000 Those can pay you quite a bit (last time it was 150k for me I think?) [23-Sep-24 02:20 AM] jvaler#0000 from anecdotes in other servers it seems to increase the size of the contracts, but not the margins of them {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [23-Sep-24 02:40 AM] .nvf#0000 I have learned the importance of checking sales volume, not just prices [23-Sep-24 02:40 AM] .nvf#0000 I am sitting on a lot of sulfur, and it's not moving {Reactions} pandaOuch [23-Sep-24 02:42 AM] laaxus#0000 We've all been there [23-Sep-24 02:43 AM] laaxus#0000 That is why I Always look profitability at bid Price first [23-Sep-24 02:44 AM] laaxus#0000 I try to minimise the amount of ressources sitting in the cx [23-Sep-24 02:45 AM] laaxus#0000 For beginners, you lose 4% a week of the total value of assets doing nothing [23-Sep-24 02:58 AM] evov#0000 Interesting, how do you come up with 4% per week as a number? [23-Sep-24 03:00 AM] laaxus#0000 Shrewdsun interests rate for a loan [23-Sep-24 03:00 AM] laaxus#0000 Could be 3% for lowstrife, but lowstrife loans are more limited [23-Sep-24 03:01 AM] evov#0000 For beginners (i.e. low number of permits) it's more like 4% per DAY. [23-Sep-24 03:01 AM] laaxus#0000 Yeah but for diffรฉrent reason {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‡ซ๐Ÿ‡ท (2) French [23-Sep-24 03:01 AM] evov#0000 If your permits are costing 60mil .... then it's more like 3-4% per week. [23-Sep-24 03:02 AM] laaxus#0000 I think it's because we don't talk about the same beginner [23-Sep-24 03:02 AM] laaxus#0000 I was more talking about someone having a first full base 500 area [23-Sep-24 03:02 AM] laaxus#0000 I agree for a starter player [23-Sep-24 03:04 AM] evov#0000 Less than 20 permits is where I'd draw that line. After that, permit costs sky rocket, and you just can't get the same rate of return out of expanding bases. [23-Sep-24 03:05 AM] laaxus#0000 Once you get to 20 permits, it's better for the money to sit in the cx because it crรฉates a little value at least [23-Sep-24 03:05 AM] laaxus#0000 Better losing 3% a week than 5 [23-Sep-24 03:11 AM] evov#0000 You're free to think whatever you want, I'm not trying to change your mind. But if you're going to be giving new players advice that is. . . . maybe not entirely accurate.... I'm going provide a 2nd opinion. For new players (permits <20) your capital is worth a lot more than 4% per week. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [23-Sep-24 03:11 AM] laaxus#0000 Mmm I see where you are coming from [23-Sep-24 03:13 AM] laaxus#0000 Would you say that 200k on the cx lose value at the same rate than 1m5 would ? [23-Sep-24 03:17 AM] evov#0000 Rather than look at what some of the richest players in the game offer as interest rates for the loans they give out.... this is how/why I would value begginer (less than 20 permits) player capital -> Avg cost per HQ upgrade up to 20 -> 600k Avg cost per base (for beginnier, t1/2 type bases) - 1-2mil So when you look in your planner at your base... and it says something like ( Plan Cost / Roi ) - 1.5mil - 14day RoI. Adding the cost of the avg permit <20 to that.... raises the RoI up to maybe 20ish. 20 Day RoI = 5% per day. [23-Sep-24 03:18 AM] evov#0000 RoI per base will change based on what you're doing etc... but <20 roi should be very very achievable / typical. [23-Sep-24 03:18 AM] laaxus#0000 I agree with this train of thought [23-Sep-24 03:19 AM] laaxus#0000 But what about small amount like 200k Players can't pay a base with that So would that 5% still apply ? [23-Sep-24 03:20 AM] evov#0000 Yes. You need (or should) be treating it like it's worth 5% per day. [23-Sep-24 03:22 AM] evov#0000 This is one of the issues I have with an over-reliance on PrunPlaner. You should be very focused on this bit -> {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1287690476526239774/image.png?ex=681480b5&is=68132f35&hm=3f15b9ce40900f510444e68df4b8d945a468c321f272cab82d00d920bd6c3eb4& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [23-Sep-24 03:22 AM] evov#0000 But everyone seems to only care about this bit {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1287690599256035358/image.png?ex=681480d2&is=68132f52&hm=44aacf9986e487c4667e5253b6c8df395e1b30aafda4e30519a7ce187e19aa75& [23-Sep-24 03:23 AM] evov#0000 And it leads to . . . uninformed choices... is probably the best way to put it. [23-Sep-24 03:23 AM] laaxus#0000 That's a lot of money [23-Sep-24 03:24 AM] evov#0000 I didn't get it by using PrunPlanner.... I'm just testing it out now to see what the big deal is. I get it... it's easy to look at and big number feels good. [23-Sep-24 03:25 AM] laaxus#0000 That's what I'm doing ๐Ÿ˜„ [23-Sep-24 03:35 AM] jvaler#0000 holy shit what are you doing on ZV-194b? and deimos? what metallurgy is that profitable? are the CX settings weird or something? [23-Sep-24 03:35 AM] evov#0000 No, it just highlights the sillyness of people's over-reliance on prunplanner sometimes. [23-Sep-24 03:36 AM] evov#0000 When you start getting into some... less commonly used items... there just isn't reliable prices on the CX for it to reference. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [23-Sep-24 03:36 AM] evov#0000 It looks like that base is making heaps... because it thinks some of the parts that go into (BR1's as an example) are super cheap. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [23-Sep-24 03:37 AM] jvaler#0000 ahh [23-Sep-24 03:37 AM] evov#0000 There's a stack of things like that. [23-Sep-24 03:37 AM] evov#0000 If I then go to a base that makes that item... the profit for that production line is negative. [23-Sep-24 03:38 AM] laaxus#0000 yeah, the biggest issue with prunplanner is that for commodities with no orders, it just put 0 [23-Sep-24 03:38 AM] laaxus#0000 leading to false earnings [23-Sep-24 03:38 AM] evov#0000 It doesn't have to be zero. There's other options for pricing.. but all of them have different issues. [23-Sep-24 03:40 AM] evov#0000 And if you've never really gone through and done your own models, it's unlikely you'll appreciate what those issues are. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [23-Sep-24 11:27 AM] kynadre#0000 Makes sense, since that's a transition point when they're saving capital for their next base / investment / transition, rather than actively funneling money back into the improvement of their non-maxed first base [23-Sep-24 02:40 PM] razenpok#0000 Let's be a bit more welcoming in the airlock [23-Sep-24 02:40 PM] razenpok#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1287861138746380309/image.png?ex=681476e6&is=68132566&hm=6c47feec3e176c2ed5fa70b39ff00558d09e56a9d15093b1732fbe6bfe273a0d& [23-Sep-24 02:46 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/b1Chn.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/meg-family-guy-airlock-meg-griffin-griffin-gif-27515799 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/U9-KcGmL-x9vIArv1g58HpMAiv4Jg_opATpcd4f8qfU/https/media.tenor.com/kVLm2596YsoAAAAe/meg-family-guy.png [23-Sep-24 10:30 PM] .nvf#0000 ...This isnt' physics [23-Sep-24 10:30 PM] .nvf#0000 72 gold ore weighs less than 25 gold [23-Sep-24 10:31 PM] jvaler#0000 gold is the worst offender for this in the game lol [23-Sep-24 10:32 PM] jvaler#0000 happens with BGO and RGO too [23-Sep-24 10:35 PM] .nvf#0000 Why... [23-Sep-24 10:35 PM] .nvf#0000 ETA says 13 hours [23-Sep-24 10:35 PM] .nvf#0000 if i keep refreshing it goes up to 17 hours [23-Sep-24 10:36 PM] .nvf#0000 if I keep refreshing it goes back down to 13 hours [23-Sep-24 10:36 PM] .nvf#0000 what [23-Sep-24 10:36 PM] jcheung#0000 hah [23-Sep-24 10:36 PM] jcheung#0000 yes [23-Sep-24 10:37 PM] jcheung#0000 sometimes you'll use less fuel for faster time too [23-Sep-24 10:37 PM] jcheung#0000 i spend up to 5 minutes sometimes just clicking the fuel slider to refresh it [23-Sep-24 10:37 PM] .nvf#0000 this upsets me [23-Sep-24 10:37 PM] jcheung#0000 30% speed buff? yes please [23-Sep-24 10:37 PM] jcheung#0000 oh believe me, i'm still pissed about it [23-Sep-24 10:38 PM] jcheung#0000 if you want to do this kind of thing give me a whole porkchop plot and let me pick my parameters [23-Sep-24 10:38 PM] jcheung#0000 *grumble* [23-Sep-24 10:43 PM] jvaler#0000 it's a bug, something to do with the flight paths it chooses [23-Sep-24 10:44 PM] jvaler#0000 been around forever afaik [23-Sep-24 11:06 PM] .nvf#0000 strange [24-Sep-24 08:02 AM] chobbycock#0000 Any1 here know the best planets near Ant for LIO [24-Sep-24 08:04 AM] laaxus#0000 Se-648a [24-Sep-24 08:04 AM] laaxus#0000 Is my guess [24-Sep-24 08:06 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Correct. [24-Sep-24 08:07 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 For better worlds, you're looking at outer-rim stuff. [24-Sep-24 08:07 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 JS-753c for example [24-Sep-24 08:07 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 MCG/SEA [24-Sep-24 08:08 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 At 14j from ANT, it'll definitely make you tickle, being able to cut install/repair costs, with the addition of some LFLs to your ships/. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [24-Sep-24 08:24 AM] evov#0000 My very rough estimates when looking at planets / distance... 1 Day flight = 15k in fuel and 60k in ship capital. So if you're needing to fill up 1 ship per day.... subtract 75k from whatever you think you're making per day. Double that if it's a 2 day flight each way. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [24-Sep-24 08:24 AM] evov#0000 So when things start getting far out.... you quickly get to a point where it's just not worth doing regardless of how rich the deposit is. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [24-Sep-24 10:15 AM] jcheung#0000 KI-439b has both LIO and HAL for that fun low-shipping deal [24-Sep-24 10:16 AM] jcheung#0000 and has better LIO yield [24-Sep-24 10:16 AM] jcheung#0000 little farther out though [24-Sep-24 02:31 PM] kynadre#0000 super helpful having a rule of thumb like that, thanks! [24-Sep-24 02:31 PM] kynadre#0000 I imagine your ships are a bit bigger than most peoples' but by the point folks are making pure extractor colonies, they are, too [24-Sep-24 02:31 PM] kynadre#0000 plus it accounts for opportunity cost of tying up the ships [24-Sep-24 05:24 PM] evov#0000 You can always ask someone who does shipping commercially what sort of price they'd want to transport to/from the CX. Or potentially sell it on the CX (at a suitable discount). The important part to remember is that ships are valuable. Fuel isn't free, and they could always be making money doing something else, so it should be a consideration. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ this [24-Sep-24 05:45 PM] kynadre#0000 keeping my haulers busy helping others has really helped me get to the next "tier" of +buildings at my base sooner, that's for sure [24-Sep-24 05:46 PM] kynadre#0000 makes the most of otherwise-idle ships + the fuel donations the starting missions give me, while making sure I'm making a little bit with round trips as I can [24-Sep-24 05:47 PM] kynadre#0000 round, triangle, one even square ๐Ÿ˜„ [24-Sep-24 05:50 PM] evov#0000 I'm in the process of expanding my shipping fleet right now. Not sure exactly what number I'm chasing. But more ships is more better! {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1288271478453702666/image.png?ex=6814a38f&is=6813520f&hm=e29821d7cad5126ad4a2a1c26efa1dd5a45f1c7b73135a34285e3fcc533d32ed& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ [24-Sep-24 05:51 PM] kynadre#0000 nice [24-Sep-24 05:51 PM] kynadre#0000 I tossed the plans to make CF into the AGP operations, man that was a lot of fiddling with plans, but I think I got a good working starting one plus later-game transition plans [24-Sep-24 05:51 PM] kynadre#0000 def looking forward to setting up some extraction stuff later to support it going more pure if demand for CF justifies it going from 16ish/day to 25ish/day, even 50ish/day [24-Sep-24 05:56 PM] evov#0000 As with everything that comes out of a smelter... if the price is right, I'll buy it. I even offered to provide the inputs for free, handle the shipping, and buy the output at a price that represents about 50k/day profit for the base. But people seemed un-interested, so I'll just wait till they send it to the CX and we can all just ride the ups and downs of the market ๐Ÿ™‚ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ [24-Sep-24 10:39 PM] kynadre#0000 There's only a few choices for AL, but SIO has a lot more choices; I'll put them in DMs so I can keep track of my own list [24-Sep-24 10:41 PM] evov#0000 TI is probably my next biggest metal that I chase after, followed by AU / SI at much smaller volume by comparison. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [24-Sep-24 10:43 PM] kynadre#0000 I'll need SI for the CF as well (I use the recipe with AL to smelt it) so seems there's some synergy [24-Sep-24 10:43 PM] kynadre#0000 I'd be looking for an SI source planet, too [24-Sep-24 10:44 PM] kynadre#0000 I'll slide into your DMs with some options I'm looking at [24-Sep-24 10:44 PM] evov#0000 There's a few. But be mindful with SI - SIO is a byproduct/waste product of some higher teir stuff. So it might have an impact on the price of SIO.. regardless of extraction points. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [25-Sep-24 12:42 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I feel like people are well stocked right now, or do like to do there logistics themself at the beginning. I for example liked your service idea, but have already suppliers, who send stuff at Deimos. And Iโ€˜m already selling my AL to you ๐Ÿ˜‚ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [25-Sep-24 12:43 AM] kynadre#0000 all of my AL is now extremely neatly going into SI and CF with perfect ratios [25-Sep-24 12:43 AM] kynadre#0000 yay planning playtime [25-Sep-24 12:44 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Look for new players and ask them, if they want to do it. Or wait till people need more shipping capacity. Iโ€˜m keeping you in mind for future expansions ๐Ÿ˜˜ [25-Sep-24 12:47 AM] kynadre#0000 yeah if I make an AL extraction base and there's extra after my smelting, I know where to send my extra [25-Sep-24 12:47 AM] evov#0000 At the end of the day, I like solving interesting problems. I thought the supply to Deimos was a win win, but if people aren't interested in it, I'll move onto the next interesting opportunity that presents itself. [25-Sep-24 12:47 AM] kynadre#0000 It's likely the low proportion of players who can accept contracts or see local markets [25-Sep-24 12:47 AM] kynadre#0000 I'd expect a lot of players stay free for at least a few weeks while they feel out if they like it enough to pay for it [25-Sep-24 12:48 AM] evov#0000 On a semi related note . . . . If anyone has alcoholic scientists in their employ - I suggest looking into some detox programs, or AA meetings or something like that. {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [25-Sep-24 01:08 AM] .nvf#0000 I have 383 Sulfur, with plenty at the exchange [25-Sep-24 01:27 AM] pxlfox.#0000 AL prices already going down... [25-Sep-24 01:27 AM] pxlfox.#0000 It was fun till it lasted [25-Sep-24 02:30 AM] realharvey#0000 dont worry, they will go up again [25-Sep-24 02:30 AM] realharvey#0000 its getting bought in bigger batches [25-Sep-24 02:30 AM] realharvey#0000 so it recovers for short periods [25-Sep-24 02:33 AM] .nvf#0000 the sulfur prices are so screwed up it's skewing my entire sheet [25-Sep-24 02:43 AM] evov#0000 Howso? [25-Sep-24 02:47 AM] .nvf#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1288406429870587906/image.png?ex=6814787e&is=681326fe&hm=2111ee20b5a95621913dff5805eb040280e37900b7cb33e79c424c90ce553878& [25-Sep-24 02:47 AM] .nvf#0000 that's Net/Profit%/Value per hour [25-Sep-24 02:59 AM] evov#0000 So, price spiked, looked super juicy, so you started pumping it out like a madman? ... I think I did the same haha. Such is life. [25-Sep-24 03:00 AM] evov#0000 Custom sheet/profit tracking? I like ๐Ÿ™‚ [25-Sep-24 03:01 AM] .nvf#0000 I bought 200 sulfur crystals... [25-Sep-24 03:01 AM] .nvf#0000 but hey, for the forseeable future, I own the sulfur market [25-Sep-24 03:49 AM] realharvey#0000 Before you commit to something like that you should always check for the regular trading volume ๐Ÿ˜… [25-Sep-24 03:49 AM] .nvf#0000 I have learned this lesson, yes. [25-Sep-24 03:51 AM] evov#0000 Nah, just send it. Failure is the best teacher. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [25-Sep-24 03:56 AM] pxlfox.#0000 That could have been me - while looking at possible production paths the last days it always was a rollercoaster of emotions - look at this recipe, itโ€™s so profitable - oh, wait - there is basically no market for it -.- {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [25-Sep-24 03:57 AM] .nvf#0000 I knew it was too good to be true when I made it, the sell price was around double the buy [25-Sep-24 03:57 AM] .nvf#0000 my mistake was buying 200 crystals, and not thinking about how that'll turn in to 1,200 sulfur [25-Sep-24 07:08 AM] tanda#0000 @getonthetrain It is currently unlikely that anyone's going to set up on YK-266c besides us. And I haven't even turned on taxes yet, lol. [25-Sep-24 07:11 AM] laaxus#0000 I might if you don't supply enough rea [25-Sep-24 07:15 AM] tanda#0000 If there's not enough REA coming out of there, then we're going to need more bases out there as a galaxy [25-Sep-24 07:28 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 REA? ๐Ÿ‘€๐Ÿ‘‚ [25-Sep-24 07:29 AM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1288477496240640144/image.png?ex=6814baad&is=6813692d&hm=8c6a384656abff0af5ebf5a5fb6150105b9cf7759ed0c244a039100a05d52901& [25-Sep-24 07:29 AM] tanda#0000 Working on it, but current plans call for a base of this to be fed by two EXT bases [25-Sep-24 07:30 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 What's the REA for? [25-Sep-24 07:31 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I've got some I could sell but I'm about to shut that base down [25-Sep-24 07:31 AM] evov#0000 Mostly - feeding IDC farmers [25-Sep-24 07:31 AM] tanda#0000 This mostly {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1288477929344598087/image.png?ex=6814bb15&is=68136995&hm=1673db0cfb17ac40053e8f67e5d6200458a8956dfee01a016c4126f22a0c8cf2& [25-Sep-24 07:31 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Ah, filling UNI [25-Sep-24 07:32 AM] tanda#0000 Markets are very thin, and it's a component of the new gateway fuel {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [25-Sep-24 07:32 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Hmm. Maybe I should ship some in... [25-Sep-24 07:33 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Yeah BRM is heavy, I've considered setting up another combo base with someone. I'm #1 or 2 in all BRM products right now from a single base of CHP, so I can pretty easily confirm galaxy wide production is *thin* [25-Sep-24 07:34 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 That one base has 1.5 bases of EXT feeding it though [25-Sep-24 07:34 AM] tanda#0000 yeah, REA uses a truly impressive amount of BRM [25-Sep-24 07:34 AM] tanda#0000 shipping is just not an option, lol [25-Sep-24 07:35 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 What planet is this? [25-Sep-24 07:35 AM] evov#0000 I think I checked earlier - over the last 7 days at least, galaxy wide production of REA was about 1400/day [25-Sep-24 07:35 AM] tanda#0000 YK-266c [25-Sep-24 07:36 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Nice [25-Sep-24 07:39 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Yeah I just use other less demanding recipes to even out my BRM consumption with the output of the base feeding me, but that doesn't always work great since demand for the others is low. OLF is barely used and PFE is easy to overproduce [25-Sep-24 11:59 AM] kynadre#0000 This sounds familiar. I believe it's on my list of potential planets [25-Sep-24 12:00 PM] kynadre#0000 so BRM has demand for new fuel? I believe that planet synergizes with something else I need; lemme check [25-Sep-24 12:06 PM] kynadre#0000 Yes! I am definitely interested in YK-266c [25-Sep-24 12:06 PM] kynadre#0000 SIO for CF production and BRM for the fuel production, count me in [25-Sep-24 12:06 PM] kynadre#0000 it makes sense as a next base for me to grow into, since I can already source ALO at Deimos [25-Sep-24 12:07 PM] kynadre#0000 more people there also means more shipping synergy too, buddying up hauls where we can if they aren't already maxed xD (I'm sure they will be soon enough) [25-Sep-24 12:14 PM] kynadre#0000 ... that moment when I need more than 2500 storage for the stuff I bought for 10 days of work at base (plus new building material, to be fair), and I quietly split down to 5 days instead... hahaha [25-Sep-24 12:18 PM] kynadre#0000 YAY LEARNING I poked the button and look how the displays changed {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1288550220203954184/image.png?ex=6814fe68&is=6813ace8&hm=be7c31fd02793a878496cfc97fe8db1ee1a92613229a9f28e8317066482db1de& [25-Sep-24 12:18 PM] kynadre#0000 ahhhhh so much better [25-Sep-24 12:22 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 #space-efficiency {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1288551239331741706/Screenshot_from_2024-09-25_12-22-18.png?ex=6814ff5b&is=6813addb&hm=ca434b66917420f5b53160a60f6ea1b31b4b1d8cd306b7d9c7e7ae123a5a8853& [25-Sep-24 12:24 PM] kynadre#0000 xD I'd expanded them to admire the new info but I don't normally have them that big [25-Sep-24 12:25 PM] kynadre#0000 I love love love the concept of having the separate screens plus being able to customize them [25-Sep-24 12:25 PM] kynadre#0000 plus floating buffers [25-Sep-24 12:25 PM] kynadre#0000 it's soooo nice [25-Sep-24 01:02 PM] jvaler#0000 this screenshot inflicts psychic damage [25-Sep-24 01:03 PM] kynadre#0000 xDD [25-Sep-24 01:06 PM] jcheung#0000 Wait til i get home [25-Sep-24 01:06 PM] jcheung#0000 I'll give you emotional damage [25-Sep-24 01:06 PM] kynadre#0000 There we are, with room to grow fleet and base as more are gained {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1288562250692427786/image.png?ex=6815099c&is=6813b81c&hm=8076811ea0d22ea50cfe3127a613db773ab0462676beb289d5d1455939e829db& [25-Sep-24 03:18 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 That's the idea. {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [25-Sep-24 05:33 PM] evov#0000 Nice, these screenshots inspired me to have a look at my typical base screen and remove useless windows. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ [25-Sep-24 05:43 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah I need to redo mine [25-Sep-24 05:44 PM] .urpalhal#0000 They arenโ€™t bad but I canโ€™t have a screen for every base [25-Sep-24 05:44 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Thatโ€™s a little busy [25-Sep-24 05:48 PM] evov#0000 There's just stuff that I thought was important.. but over time I find I virtually never look at it. Or it's rare enough I can easily just open another window on those occasions. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [25-Sep-24 05:59 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah I agree [25-Sep-24 06:30 PM] kynadre#0000 it makes sense to subdivide across multiple screens once there's multiple bases [25-Sep-24 06:30 PM] kynadre#0000 like, this is really helpful for me for one base, but maybe once I had 6 bases I'd want a screen just for production for all bases, a screen just for the worker needs and supply depth, etc. [25-Sep-24 06:37 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1288645703064879115/image.png?ex=6814ae95&is=68135d15&hm=752f812613abf11ba85ad4e3e2b004d1968847c756ef0f566cd654653f7a26be& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ [25-Sep-24 06:43 PM] kynadre#0000 it's really hard to put 4-tall local market stack and actually be able to read them [25-Sep-24 06:43 PM] kynadre#0000 I ended up putting local markets on its own screen separately [25-Sep-24 06:44 PM] jcheung#0000 they resize {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1288647459345793054/image.png?ex=6814b038&is=68135eb8&hm=fa39a26f9abe82f6dcadb8cc1aa51e12346774e168bb883dc816884f7d329fb3& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [25-Sep-24 06:45 PM] evov#0000 new buffer -> cxm AL ( because lets be honest, AL is the only material worth looking at ) {Reactions} ๐Ÿคฃ [25-Sep-24 06:48 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1288648414564974732/image.png?ex=6814b11b&is=68135f9b&hm=185226f77148fcdadce5c37f1a05717604e19d0e067994c9923eea809b6c2861& [25-Sep-24 06:48 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/ASM4.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/omg-sponge-bob-sponge-bob-movie-bath-explode-gif-6368076 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/4LB2yT6UVRTVjaGVqsQUlnYKY9_P8ZWwIQur4WxVURk/https/media.tenor.com/6Cr99JHrWV8AAAAe/omg-sponge-bob.png [25-Sep-24 08:25 PM] tanda#0000 could someone list 1 REA at an exorbitant amount so I can stop looking at this: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1288672875238133770/image.png?ex=6814c7e3&is=68137663&hm=a71c9fde5f2d1c23b79999ba93771229cf0542936fbf5f4a1206926b6647a1bc& [25-Sep-24 08:36 PM] sidepipe#0000 aw man, I missed the screen discussion [25-Sep-24 08:37 PM] sidepipe#0000 anyway, here is the screen I play 95% of the game from {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1288675722411638836/image.png?ex=6814ca8a&is=6813790a&hm=79f4bf597390dfe90c637379a6a9ba1f5c1215c520ff1b7d388b9273aa0d901f& [25-Sep-24 08:39 PM] tanda#0000 ULTRA-WIDE [25-Sep-24 08:40 PM] sidepipe#0000 yeah, 3440x1440 is definitely worth it for this game ๐Ÿ˜„ [25-Sep-24 08:42 PM] sidepipe#0000 but other than that, I just have a few screens for sets of contracts I send frequently, one with lots of graphs, and a whole bunch I haven't used and need to delete someday [25-Sep-24 09:05 PM] kynadre#0000 Yay notes! [25-Sep-24 09:07 PM] sidepipe#0000 XIT Notes is my best friend ๐Ÿ™‚ [25-Sep-24 09:07 PM] tanda#0000 yep, definitely reading your notes [25-Sep-24 09:07 PM] sidepipe#0000 can't remember anything without it [25-Sep-24 09:08 PM] kynadre#0000 I use notepad >>; {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [25-Sep-24 09:08 PM] sidepipe#0000 i mean, there's not really anything secret in there. right now, anyway ๐Ÿ˜‰ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [25-Sep-24 09:09 PM] tanda#0000 I use notepad like a scratchpad. Quick numbers I'm taking direct action on then throwing away [25-Sep-24 09:09 PM] sidepipe#0000 i just use the XIT notes because it's in my face right when I open the game. for some reason if I put it in an external program, i have trouble remembering to use it [25-Sep-24 09:10 PM] tanda#0000 agreed [25-Sep-24 09:10 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1288684167076515892/image.png?ex=6814d268&is=681380e8&hm=20a9f6fed60c3f1b41bfb1fefd6c2bc937668b7c9fb2b53bd27bcdde9260a12a& [25-Sep-24 09:10 PM] tanda#0000 This is my main screen [25-Sep-24 09:11 PM] sidepipe#0000 nice ๐Ÿ™‚ [25-Sep-24 09:11 PM] sidepipe#0000 i should add in XIT repairs somewhere, that's a good idea {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [25-Sep-24 09:17 PM] jcheung#0000 you bought 1500 med? dang [25-Sep-24 09:19 PM] sidepipe#0000 gotta swap currencies somehow - i try to buy cheap things at other CXs and sell them at ANT [25-Sep-24 09:20 PM] kynadre#0000 Remind me not to buy your rations cuz they're made with rat muscle... but also green veggies [25-Sep-24 09:20 PM] kynadre#0000 double bleh [25-Sep-24 09:20 PM] kynadre#0000 xD [25-Sep-24 09:20 PM] sidepipe#0000 in this case it didn't work out amazing since I've only sold 27 so far, but I feel like it'll sell eventually ๐Ÿ˜„ {Reactions} pandaOuch ๐Ÿ‘† ๐Ÿ‘ [25-Sep-24 09:21 PM] jcheung#0000 at that price? ๐Ÿ˜… [25-Sep-24 09:21 PM] jcheung#0000 good luuuck {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1288686952173932564/image.png?ex=6814d500&is=68138380&hm=603f4189ee187a7899102288a6d054dd2e5da6d50d14b1c8db97aa559650cdec& [25-Sep-24 09:23 PM] sidepipe#0000 hey, MED was 2k a month or two ago. I think everyone just had the same idea as I did ๐Ÿ˜„ [25-Sep-24 09:23 PM] jcheung#0000 hmmm. why's your break even so high? did you buy it right before MED price took a big drop at MOR? [25-Sep-24 09:23 PM] sidepipe#0000 took a big drop everywhere, but yeah [25-Sep-24 09:24 PM] sidepipe#0000 it was 2k at ant and 1.5k ish at MOR [25-Sep-24 09:24 PM] jcheung#0000 well. ant was still high for the part where i was looking at [25-Sep-24 09:24 PM] jcheung#0000 about a month ago [25-Sep-24 09:24 PM] sidepipe#0000 so I thought I'd do the patroitic thing and supply ANT, and now I'm stuck patriotically bagholding ๐Ÿ˜Ž [25-Sep-24 09:25 PM] sidepipe#0000 but my revenue is reliable enough that I can afford to do that anyway, so I'll just leave it there and maybe MED will shoot up again someday [25-Sep-24 09:26 PM] kynadre#0000 https://tenor.com/view/thats-is-a-terrible-attitude-young-lady-tiffani-thiessen-lori-mendoza-alexa-and-katie-attitude-gif-16754226 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/thats-is-a-terrible-attitude-young-lady-tiffani-thiessen-lori-mendoza-alexa-and-katie-attitude-gif-16754226 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/dZVMeMc-4ipUR4MJe6q3dbSRzuze0Cpjexttm24BZzw/https/media.tenor.com/fDTkSKUw08EAAAAe/thats-is-a-terrible-attitude-young-lady-tiffani-thiessen.png [25-Sep-24 09:26 PM] kynadre#0000 (just kidding) [25-Sep-24 09:28 PM] sidepipe#0000 honestly my breakeven may be a bit lower if I sell the AIC for CIS again, but then I have the same issue of 'all this CIS that I want to turn into AIC' [26-Sep-24 11:46 PM] .nvf#0000 Uh, I cancelled a market order and didn't have enough room to store the stuff... [26-Sep-24 11:46 PM] .nvf#0000 Where did it go? [26-Sep-24 11:54 PM] pxlfox.#0000 you didn't get a contract? [26-Sep-24 11:55 PM] pxlfox.#0000 to collect it? [26-Sep-24 11:56 PM] .nvf#0000 Not that I can see [26-Sep-24 11:56 PM] .nvf#0000 maybe I did have enough room to store exactly that amount... [26-Sep-24 11:58 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Either there, or it's lost (which would be a HUGE oversight on the dev team side) [27-Sep-24 12:01 AM] .shiva.#0000 Its in your inventory or in a contract [27-Sep-24 12:04 AM] .nvf#0000 if I had 20 in an order, but could only store 10... would it give me 10 and put the other 10 in a contract, or put the whole lot in a contract? [27-Sep-24 12:29 AM] jcheung#0000 CONTS [27-Sep-24 02:12 AM] realharvey#0000 It first looks at your warehouse storage on the CX [27-Sep-24 02:12 AM] realharvey#0000 when its full it goes first to -> Other ship cargo at the CX [27-Sep-24 02:12 AM] realharvey#0000 if that is full -> conts [27-Sep-24 02:13 AM] realharvey#0000 no items will be lost [29-Sep-24 11:42 PM] .nvf#0000 Does it have to deposit the full amount? or can it split it up? [29-Sep-24 11:43 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Wym? [29-Sep-24 11:43 PM] jcheung#0000 it might allow you partial [29-Sep-24 11:43 PM] jcheung#0000 try it [29-Sep-24 11:44 PM] jcheung#0000 i know it's allowed for sell order pickups [30-Sep-24 12:55 AM] .nvf#0000 I give up on wating for sell orders. Time to just judge profit on buy orders. [30-Sep-24 12:57 AM] laaxus#0000 Yep [30-Sep-24 12:57 AM] laaxus#0000 That's what I Always suggested [30-Sep-24 12:57 AM] laaxus#0000 To set profit on ask - bid [30-Sep-24 12:58 AM] laaxus#0000 Most people can't afford to wait [30-Sep-24 12:58 AM] .nvf#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1290190981190385727/image.png?ex=681507bc&is=6813b63c&hm=a041d8277a5c72708695384dd7a2577713f63a82a017d8b8f8d03a4d19690855& [30-Sep-24 12:58 AM] .nvf#0000 Lithium still looking good [30-Sep-24 12:59 AM] laaxus#0000 As long as the Margin trader bid order hold, it will [30-Sep-24 01:00 AM] .nvf#0000 ||I don't know what that means|| [30-Sep-24 01:07 AM] laaxus#0000 Look at the buy orders [30-Sep-24 01:07 AM] laaxus#0000 The only one with a dรฉcent Price is from a Margin trader [30-Sep-24 01:08 AM] laaxus#0000 Once it's filled, it might not be as profitable [30-Sep-24 01:08 AM] .nvf#0000 ahhhh [30-Sep-24 01:08 AM] .nvf#0000 the amount of buy orders, I get you [30-Sep-24 01:14 AM] jcheung#0000 i would caution against starting that [30-Sep-24 01:14 AM] jcheung#0000 call it, uhm. insider information [30-Sep-24 01:17 AM] .urpalhal#0000 There might be a butt ton of people buying HAL from me [30-Sep-24 01:17 AM] .nvf#0000 We're going to jail [30-Sep-24 01:17 AM] .urpalhal#0000 And HAL is used in LI purification [30-Sep-24 01:19 AM] .nvf#0000 Sold a bunch of stuff [30-Sep-24 01:19 AM] .nvf#0000 almost back to 1mil [30-Sep-24 01:19 AM] .nvf#0000 including the money I made before the loan, once I get back to 1.25, I'm calling that a victory [30-Sep-24 01:26 AM] laaxus#0000 There might be someone that is planning to crash the global li economy [30-Sep-24 01:27 AM] .nvf#0000 classic [30-Sep-24 01:28 AM] laaxus#0000 Btw [30-Sep-24 01:28 AM] laaxus#0000 I don't think selling at ask Price is best [30-Sep-24 01:29 AM] laaxus#0000 I usually set the Price at something that give me a good profit, but not an overwhelming one [30-Sep-24 01:29 AM] laaxus#0000 Because people would rather not buy an overpriced item and Swap recipes [30-Sep-24 01:30 AM] laaxus#0000 So they either Swap recipes or find a local supplier [30-Sep-24 01:31 AM] laaxus#0000 Except for consommables, they can't avoid it [30-Sep-24 01:32 AM] .nvf#0000 That's true, I hadn't considered that [30-Sep-24 01:48 AM] laaxus#0000 Same thing for bid orders [30-Sep-24 01:48 AM] laaxus#0000 I needed si, so I put a worthwhile bid order [30-Sep-24 01:49 AM] laaxus#0000 Now It's almost filled [30-Sep-24 02:34 AM] evov#0000 Buying / Selling at ask vs bid - It's situational. There is no 1 correct answer. Things you should consider when making that choice - What is the price now, what do you think the price will be in the future. What is the price on other CX's? What's the difference between the bid/ask prices. How long will it take the order to fill? What value do you place on capital. ( could you get a better RoI by using that cash to build something, or is it better for it to sit on the CX in the hopes of buying/selling something at a better price. [30-Sep-24 03:38 AM] .nvf#0000 This is why I will never be a daytrader [30-Sep-24 04:13 AM] evov#0000 It sounds a bit overwhelming. But it's like bricks in a wall. Answering one question, helps you understand and answer the next question etc. Start off with working out what value you place on capital. The process of working it out, as well a having an answer - helps with plenty of other questions/tradeoffs you might have in the future imo. [30-Sep-24 04:15 AM] razenpok#0000 ... or you could just throw money around and experiment with your capital to understand its value by practical application [30-Sep-24 04:15 AM] razenpok#0000 (that was my way of understanding it) [30-Sep-24 04:32 AM] .nvf#0000 as long as numby go up, I will not feel like I have wasted my grant [01-Oct-24 05:22 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 If you have several production bases, putting up BID.AI1 orders, to cut down on marginal expenditures for needed inputs might be a good idea, but the transaction rates on Bids aren't so fast as they are on the Asks. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [02-Oct-24 12:15 AM] .nvf#0000 Prices keep dropping by the time I make the stuff, buh [02-Oct-24 12:16 AM] jcheung#0000 i know that feeling ๐Ÿ˜„ [02-Oct-24 11:11 PM] .nvf#0000 Oh thank god for planet warehouses [02-Oct-24 11:11 PM] .nvf#0000 I thought I was going to have to build storage [02-Oct-24 11:33 PM] jcheung#0000 in most cases i would recommend at least one ๐Ÿ‘€ [03-Oct-24 12:04 AM] .nvf#0000 added another column to my spreadsheet [03-Oct-24 12:04 AM] .nvf#0000 and suddenly my lack of profit makes perfect sense [03-Oct-24 12:10 AM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/baAJN.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/starship-troopers-stare-intensifies-gif-14878489 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/5iYI7zD1QyiECiBQ8UAF180jNnR4ibt0j9eZZnXQQoQ/https/media.tenor.com/c9x0ZASoV1IAAAAe/starship-troopers-stare.png [03-Oct-24 12:14 AM] .nvf#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1291267065482842204/image.png?ex=6814fd6a&is=6813abea&hm=aebf7fb326e80174427cc4d725b025024739e0361f4dabc9f79e4595f1bd9d7d& [03-Oct-24 12:14 AM] .nvf#0000 "Why is gold selling for so little, the sheet says it should be great!" [03-Oct-24 12:15 AM] .nvf#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1291267257757995018/image.png?ex=6814fd98&is=6813ac18&hm=6a995b7f8b901f29a1e0ec747630c0b990d39eb55150eed1f3bc85287ffaa7c1& [03-Oct-24 12:15 AM] .nvf#0000 "...Oh." [03-Oct-24 12:15 AM] jcheung#0000 what does income/load track? [03-Oct-24 12:15 AM] .nvf#0000 for comparison, here's aluminium [03-Oct-24 12:15 AM] .nvf#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1291267436842324059/image.png?ex=6814fdc3&is=6813ac43&hm=896b99a636072b1b22fda9fefe6f46059dcb889df564023dcd62a59f149bd7c0& [03-Oct-24 12:16 AM] .nvf#0000 Income/Load is per 500t/500m3, whichever is smaller {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [03-Oct-24 12:16 AM] jcheung#0000 i see [03-Oct-24 12:16 AM] jcheung#0000 once you get WCBs that number should get a lot better [03-Oct-24 12:16 AM] .nvf#0000 so yeah, gold is more profitable, but i'm moving such small quantities at a time that it's not worth it at all {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [03-Oct-24 12:16 AM] jcheung#0000 where you getting AUO from [03-Oct-24 12:17 AM] .nvf#0000 All these prices are based on AI [03-Oct-24 12:17 AM] jcheung#0000 right, but where are you currently sourcing? or is this just theorycrafting right now [03-Oct-24 12:18 AM] jcheung#0000 i'm asking because i often have spare shipping between ANT <> Deimos, at least right now [03-Oct-24 12:18 AM] .nvf#0000 yeah that's what I'm doing [03-Oct-24 12:18 AM] jcheung#0000 which one, theorycrafting or buying from CX xD [03-Oct-24 12:19 AM] .nvf#0000 ahaha [03-Oct-24 12:19 AM] .nvf#0000 CX [03-Oct-24 12:20 AM] .nvf#0000 this is the sheet I use to decide what to buy every time I log on [03-Oct-24 12:20 AM] .nvf#0000 EG: based on this, I just bought a shipload of the stuff to make TI [03-Oct-24 12:21 AM] .nvf#0000 I guess I could make shipping contracts..? It wouldn't eat in to profits THAT much I guess, maybe [03-Oct-24 12:39 AM] laaxus#0000 I would just include shipping cost in the profit [03-Oct-24 12:40 AM] .nvf#0000 It's around 3,500 for 500t, right? That's the going rate? {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [03-Oct-24 12:40 AM] .nvf#0000 How... reliable is that? I'm worried if I rely on shipping that by the time someone delivers my stuff the prices will change [03-Oct-24 12:43 AM] laaxus#0000 If you go from profitable to no profit in 24h it was a Bad investment anyway [03-Oct-24 12:43 AM] laaxus#0000 And yes, 3500-4000 per T [03-Oct-24 12:44 AM] laaxus#0000 Especially if you're close to the cx [03-Oct-24 12:45 AM] .nvf#0000 that's fair [03-Oct-24 01:02 AM] jcheung#0000 i can offer you some WCB shipping [03-Oct-24 01:03 AM] jcheung#0000 it's, uhm. probably around 3x more efficient? [03-Oct-24 01:03 AM] jcheung#0000 well [03-Oct-24 01:03 AM] jcheung#0000 6x more efficient per load [04-Oct-24 06:59 AM] evov#0000 It's been a good week. Each week I'll do a stocktake. Where I remove all my CX orders and record all materials I've got in the CX warehouses. Doesn't include materials on bases or in ships, but it gives me a rough indicator of progression at least. Just curious, what metrics do other people use to measure your growth / net worth etc in the game? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1291731367377244170/image.png?ex=6814b395&is=68136215&hm=a2277029221ce54153c1f5612ef017f84d3f5c039a660ae9388e13e7da5c912a& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [04-Oct-24 07:00 AM] laaxus#0000 I am currently using the xit fin equity [04-Oct-24 07:00 AM] laaxus#0000 but I'll move away from it [04-Oct-24 07:00 AM] laaxus#0000 as I want to count ships and hq upgrades too [04-Oct-24 07:02 AM] tanda#0000 I measure it by how much I have to spend for base resupply and how much cash I have afterwards {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [04-Oct-24 07:12 AM] pxlfox.#0000 As long as it feels like I'm getting richer, I am getting richer ๐Ÿ˜Ž [04-Oct-24 08:24 AM] realharvey#0000 I am out of that region where I care what my current networth actually is. I know my bases are running at a profit and thats all I need to know [04-Oct-24 09:01 AM] sidepipe#0000 rate at which line go up, and rate at which line go up go up [04-Oct-24 09:01 AM] sidepipe#0000 although my net worth has been pretty static over the last few months, since I haven't expanded much and have been selling a lot of my stuff at favorable prices [04-Oct-24 09:04 AM] sidepipe#0000 I stated a sheet some time ago to pull all my inventory + ships + reclaimables from buildings through FIO to get a net worth number, but I never really maintained it [04-Oct-24 09:20 AM] jcheung#0000 :/ i feel you shouldn't delist... you can use FIO and be able to pull data on what you have in CXOS [04-Oct-24 10:22 AM] archielvahr#0000 Yeah XIT FIN pulls in your stock on the CX. I'd just be way too lazy to delist and relist anything ๐Ÿ˜„ [04-Oct-24 10:23 AM] archielvahr#0000 I also have stuff that's been listed for more than a year, so I probably should [04-Oct-24 03:11 PM] evov#0000 Yea, I don't use fio or any of those tools. Just the raw steam version +spreadsheets. Getting info and solving problems that way is half the fun for me with this game. -but I do like the way some of them look. One of the practical benefits I find of doing the weekly (take down CX orders / repost ) is that before I started doing it, I'd find I let bad orders just sit there, pointlessly soaking up capital. Sales that never sell, bids that never fill etc. At least this way it forces me to (each week) re-evaluate the prices I'm trying to buy/sell for. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ (3) [04-Oct-24 03:18 PM] kynadre#0000 That makes sense [04-Oct-24 03:20 PM] jcheung#0000 So much work to do that weekly [04-Oct-24 03:21 PM] kynadre#0000 it helps people looking at market for opportunity, though, to see reasonable prices and actual demand [04-Oct-24 03:21 PM] kynadre#0000 others can make plans to fill needs and simplify someone else's production line [04-Oct-24 03:21 PM] kynadre#0000 esp. how many people are on one, two, just a few bases, and can carve out a slice of the pie [04-Oct-24 03:22 PM] jcheung#0000 So there's another group of people that play with markets, and they were doing weekly.... I'm not involved in that portion, but i could see the people who were, uhm... not liking that they had to wrap things up once a week to give an accounting of things [04-Oct-24 03:22 PM] jcheung#0000 Especially when monthly is usually fine for most things [04-Oct-24 03:54 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 When my FIN is green on Sunday nights... it's all good. When it's red for like 1 week? Also good. I've taken extreme pains to literally become a simple HYF farmer, and FP processor. Huge investments in shipping, which will also get upgraded rather soon. Did I lose a lot of potential expansions, CX/COGC PPU concerns, and overall opportunity? Sure. But there is a point where your "empire" becomes troublesome to keep tabs on... Even with PMMG+, Prunplanner, and private spreadsheets, once you get to like 60 permits, and like 60 ships.... You're going to be devoting a lot of personal time in such weekly upkeep... Every week.. every month... every year. I hold a premium on my personal leisure time, which is why I don't really care about player micromanagement of market operations... I do care more for universe wide preferences in incentive-based macro-management of game-play tendencies though. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [04-Oct-24 03:57 PM] evov#0000 Probably takes me about 15 -45min - depending on distractions. Copy/Paste CX data. Hit delete about 100 times. Copy/Paste Warehouse data. Repost standard stuff I sell all the time. Re-evaluate what stuff I want to buy. The re-evaluate what stuff I want to buy part could take longer - but unless I'm willing to leave ineffective orders listed until the end of time, that's a step I'd need to do regardless. [04-Oct-24 03:59 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 CX orders are "effective" until potential market competitors deliver the "good stuff" to market, in the following weeks, and fully eat up any sales turnover possible.... This is potentially hard to do, in many cases. [04-Oct-24 03:59 PM] evov#0000 One of the benefits of it - I get to keep a history of my CX activity. So I can see (at least as far as the CX goes ) where I'm spending, where I'm earning, and avg prices paid for things..... which I use as an important indicator when buying things in bulk from players via contracts. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [07-Oct-24 01:16 AM] .nvf#0000 How do I do a survey mission? [07-Oct-24 01:28 AM] realharvey#0000 You fly to the planet with a ship and land [07-Oct-24 01:28 AM] realharvey#0000 Then you hit up the contract and click full fill [07-Oct-24 01:32 AM] .nvf#0000 Ah, land, okay. Thanks! [07-Oct-24 12:38 PM] kynadre#0000 those missions are so rarely worth it btw, basically always better to take another one of the 3 offered [07-Oct-24 08:06 PM] finestone#0000 Will Pioneers turn into settlers if there are PIO AVL or how does this process work, what needs to be done. [07-Oct-24 08:08 PM] tanda#0000 there is some level of education/promotion but not as much as you might think. SET do still grow naturally, just like PIO does though [07-Oct-24 08:16 PM] finestone#0000 Currently there is only a safety station and a Infirmary [07-Oct-24 08:18 PM] finestone#0000 will a library/university be needed then? [07-Oct-24 08:18 PM] tanda#0000 only the SST is needed [07-Oct-24 08:18 PM] tanda#0000 do you mind telling me which planet is involved? And can you get yourself elected GOV? [07-Oct-24 08:19 PM] finestone#0000 AU605C [07-Oct-24 08:20 PM] finestone#0000 I'm not governer but i talk to the person who is only 3 of us are active [07-Oct-24 08:21 PM] finestone#0000 I was just wanting like 250 settlers but trying to figure out if i need to do something [07-Oct-24 08:21 PM] tanda#0000 offer to sponsor some SET immigration programs [07-Oct-24 08:21 PM] tanda#0000 no, you just need one single commodity fueled on the SST and you're good for a while [07-Oct-24 08:22 PM] finestone#0000 okay i will build the buildings and if im low on settlers after pop report i will ask for ad thanks [07-Oct-24 08:22 PM] tanda#0000 I would ask ahead of time, that planet has literally 2 SET [07-Oct-24 08:23 PM] finestone#0000 how much immigration program cost? [07-Oct-24 08:23 PM] tanda#0000 for a planet that size, no more than about 50k [07-Oct-24 08:24 PM] finestone#0000 perfect i will ask them [07-Oct-24 08:24 PM] finestone#0000 thanks! [07-Oct-24 08:24 PM] tanda#0000 no problem! [07-Oct-24 10:39 PM] finestone#0000 My first 2 software Centers have been constructed more to come but other things need completed first ๐Ÿ˜Ž {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [08-Oct-24 04:24 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Whatโ€™s a good ALO extracting point in ANT space except Deimos (which isnโ€™t really that good for extraction) [08-Oct-24 04:26 PM] igfloz#0000 I use Nascent {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [08-Oct-24 04:28 PM] igfloz#0000 Just make sure you use STO in your build - if you can't transport quick enough, your stores will fill ๐Ÿ™‚ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† (2) [09-Oct-24 12:26 PM] finestone#0000 Such a Beautiful cargo sent on its 2 day trip for expansion. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1293625581212270633/Screenshot_2024-10-09_122511.png?ex=68150034&is=6813aeb4&hm=617f3b2c86a7b474acac56257e6cf12b90fb79c76157ee7b199a3514edd93734& [09-Oct-24 12:37 PM] tanda#0000 Ooh, Gin? [09-Oct-24 01:03 PM] finestone#0000 Yep Gin for now (All inputs from CX) eventually Ale but have to get Orchards setup [09-Oct-24 01:04 PM] finestone#0000 there is no hops even on the market in ANT [09-Oct-24 01:04 PM] finestone#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ญ [09-Oct-24 01:28 PM] tanda#0000 Try asking top HOP producers if they have any overstock? ORCs crank from how I understand it [09-Oct-24 01:28 PM] tanda#0000 Unless you actually have that AFAB money [09-Oct-24 01:29 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Slap down an orchard? [09-Oct-24 01:35 PM] finestone#0000 the plan is to save up for an orchard base now AFABs do be expensive [09-Oct-24 01:55 PM] jvaler#0000 you need afabs? i might be able to hook you up {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1293648047183495278/image.png?ex=68151521&is=6813c3a1&hm=89ef5486614b6286ef75e0c0214f6bbbe21633b6e595906a058c6181d2927836& [09-Oct-24 01:56 PM] finestone#0000 ๐Ÿ˜„ I would rather buy from you then CX i will message you when the time comes [09-Oct-24 01:56 PM] jvaler#0000 :D [09-Oct-24 01:56 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I am now just realizing that the amount of AFABs I bought was a ridiculous amount {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [09-Oct-24 01:57 PM] jcheung#0000 ~~maybe you can do what i've been doing and take out loans from jvaler and then give back a lot of it for afabs~~ {Reactions} partyhehe (2) [09-Oct-24 01:57 PM] jcheung#0000 how rediculous? [09-Oct-24 01:57 PM] jvaler#0000 ridiculous amount of afabs makes me think of roganartu numbers [09-Oct-24 01:57 PM] jvaler#0000 if it's less i'll be dissapointed ๐Ÿ˜” [09-Oct-24 01:58 PM] .urpalhal#0000 It was like 100x of each [09-Oct-24 01:58 PM] igfloz#0000 https://tenor.com/view/smh-laugh-gif-19892494 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/smh-laugh-gif-19892494 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/LkAZHm4OhwGeEfiktdfAtUipa5ha7jTjHdDk19Bmb0U/https/media.tenor.com/Uoh5CrkplOQAAAAe/smh-laugh.png [09-Oct-24 01:58 PM] jcheung#0000 that's not that unreasonable is it? ๐Ÿค” [09-Oct-24 01:58 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ~~only like 10 million~~ [09-Oct-24 01:59 PM] marat_sh#0000 I though it would be like 1000+ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ ๐Ÿ‘† [09-Oct-24 01:59 PM] finestone#0000 I will need ASE 24, ATA 12 but thats like 1.5m [09-Oct-24 01:59 PM] marat_sh#0000 of each [09-Oct-24 01:59 PM] jvaler#0000 that's pretty tame tbh at least compared to how high HQ upgrades can get [09-Oct-24 01:59 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Those are Rog numbers [09-Oct-24 02:00 PM] jvaler#0000 ๐Ÿ’ฏ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1293649185349963817/image.png?ex=68151630&is=6813c4b0&hm=497a038302744993274f762377812788c9e40f1e5a57b171d5e67fdc1e371290& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’€ [09-Oct-24 02:00 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I still need RFABs for my HQ upgradesโ€ฆ. [09-Oct-24 02:00 PM] jcheung#0000 i think you're a solid order of magnitude under ridiculous [09-Oct-24 02:00 PM] jvaler#0000 oh right it was PSK wasn't it {Reactions} ๐Ÿซก [09-Oct-24 02:00 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yep [09-Oct-24 02:00 PM] jcheung#0000 100 might be at a 'lot' [09-Oct-24 02:01 PM] igfloz#0000 Holy crap ! thats a fortune !! [09-Oct-24 02:01 PM] jvaler#0000 ikr [09-Oct-24 02:01 PM] jvaler#0000 they've got a lot of bases and management on their hands for them to have that though [09-Oct-24 02:01 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I spent 1/5 of my companyโ€™s worth on just AFABs [09-Oct-24 02:02 PM] jcheung#0000 ๐Ÿ˜‚ [09-Oct-24 02:02 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Weโ€™d be in trouble if *I* bought 1000x of each [09-Oct-24 02:03 PM] realharvey#0000 AFAB HQ upgrades arent fun :( {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1293650117517246464/image.png?ex=6815170e&is=6813c58e&hm=5317097c4c96b52933b0aa6892da6cec1df42ed89ca5f27d5ad6940465a3b991& [09-Oct-24 02:04 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Wow thatโ€™s fun [09-Oct-24 02:05 PM] archielvahr#0000 That's a couple gateways of afabs right there. now I know who to come to ๐Ÿ˜„ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [09-Oct-24 02:05 PM] jvaler#0000 ๐Ÿค [09-Oct-24 02:05 PM] jvaler#0000 a lot of that went into rise's hands tho fyi [09-Oct-24 02:05 PM] igfloz#0000 ..only 10 AIC/u too ! Awesome price ๐Ÿ˜‚ [09-Oct-24 02:06 PM] jvaler#0000 probably into HQ lol [09-Oct-24 02:06 PM] .urpalhal#0000 yeah mine is much less fun, yours looks so much more enjoyable :ChronosomeWink: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1293650876723888209/Screenshot_2024-10-09_120427.png?ex=681517c3&is=6813c643&hm=8c65f03f0f62b40d792e1e9ad3f720ab33c439edfd93cf7eac0e39ff130b22d2& [09-Oct-24 02:07 PM] jvaler#0000 rfabs were so awkward when i was at that point lol [09-Oct-24 02:07 PM] jvaler#0000 nobody seems to make them internally [09-Oct-24 02:09 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yep [09-Oct-24 02:10 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I can get them if I give enough notice tho [09-Oct-24 02:34 PM] evany.#0000 just last week when i couldn't get AR i converted to rbh if anyone needs any [09-Oct-24 02:34 PM] .urpalhal#0000 lol you got 24? [09-Oct-24 02:35 PM] evany.#0000 rbh ? [09-Oct-24 02:35 PM] evany.#0000 i just put 200 up on cx earlier this morning and have another 120 on aceland [09-Oct-24 02:36 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah 24 rbh [09-Oct-24 02:37 PM] evany.#0000 how does 300 convert to 24 ? [09-Oct-24 02:38 PM] .urpalhal#0000 300-276=24 ๐Ÿ˜‚ [09-Oct-24 02:39 PM] evany.#0000 oh. you want 24 [09-Oct-24 02:39 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah ๐Ÿ˜…๐Ÿคฃ [09-Oct-24 02:39 PM] evany.#0000 man that needed a question mark or something [09-Oct-24 02:39 PM] evany.#0000 wtf [09-Oct-24 02:39 PM] evany.#0000 lmao [09-Oct-24 02:39 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿ˜“ [09-Oct-24 02:39 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿ˜† [09-Oct-24 02:39 PM] igfloz#0000 lol you got 24 ? FTFY ๐Ÿ™‚ [09-Oct-24 02:40 PM] evany.#0000 im just sitting here thinking your elementary class was shit but it was a question not a statement [09-Oct-24 02:40 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Iโ€™ll just leave ๐Ÿฅด [09-Oct-24 02:40 PM] evany.#0000 yeah send me a cont {Reactions} givelove [10-Oct-24 10:54 PM] .nvf#0000 How do I make a shipping contract... [10-Oct-24 10:55 PM] tanda#0000 pick the planet you want to put the ad on, go to the LM for that planet, start an AD and then select shipping [10-Oct-24 10:56 PM] .nvf#0000 Ah, is there no way to combine two commodities in to one shipping contract..? [10-Oct-24 10:56 PM] .urpalhal#0000 nope [10-Oct-24 10:56 PM] tanda#0000 there is not, unfortunately [10-Oct-24 10:57 PM] .nvf#0000 Booo ๐Ÿ˜ฆ [10-Oct-24 11:21 PM] .nvf#0000 What's the command to view all my offered contracts? [10-Oct-24 11:21 PM] tanda#0000 CONTS [10-Oct-24 11:24 PM] .nvf#0000 I mean the ones I'm offering, not ones offered to me [10-Oct-24 11:25 PM] tanda#0000 on what market? CONTS shows all actual active contracts closed or unclosed, offering and offered. [10-Oct-24 11:25 PM] tanda#0000 if you're looking for Local Market ads, that's LMOS [10-Oct-24 11:27 PM] .nvf#0000 Weird... It's only showing the npc one offered to me, not the two i've got sitting in the ANT LM [10-Oct-24 11:31 PM] tanda#0000 if you're talking about LM, LMOS covers that. Contracts in the LM will move to CONTS once they are accepted [10-Oct-24 11:32 PM] .nvf#0000 Ah, that works, thanks! [11-Oct-24 12:32 PM] ibumcuckets#0000 I'm thinking about setting up my second base, I'm currently pumping out AL on deimos, what would be an ideal production line for the second base be? I'm thinking about agriculture on harmonia to set up carbon production eventually. [11-Oct-24 12:41 PM] laaxus#0000 {Reactions} ๐Ÿ™ [11-Oct-24 01:55 PM] jcheung#0000 Why is this a blank message that just says its a server message? [11-Oct-24 01:55 PM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1294372886404137044/image0.jpg?ex=68151530&is=6813c3b0&hm=90038bfc04825406fdd7577d7f1fe5d75cb2cfc39e14f3420e521a1d2a771bbd& [11-Oct-24 01:56 PM] laaxus#0000 update your app [11-Oct-24 01:56 PM] laaxus#0000 it's a new feature [11-Oct-24 01:56 PM] jcheung#0000 What is it [11-Oct-24 01:56 PM] igfloz#0000 It's a forwarded message [11-Oct-24 01:56 PM] jcheung#0000 Ugh. But every time i update discord they break shit on me [11-Oct-24 01:57 PM] laaxus#0000 first time ? [11-Oct-24 01:57 PM] jcheung#0000 More [11-Oct-24 01:57 PM] igfloz#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1294373269213937714/image.png?ex=6815158b&is=6813c40b&hm=cf0b1c1f3590a622810b53618f2b339f5988cdc991121423889891b7ae1750ec& [11-Oct-24 03:00 PM] finestone#0000 That seems good. INC's will need a Reasource Extractions COGC [11-Oct-24 03:00 PM] finestone#0000 Nascent is a good option as you can also get some ALO [11-Oct-24 03:01 PM] finestone#0000 1-STO 12-HB1 4-EXT 24-INC is a 500 base [11-Oct-24 03:03 PM] finestone#0000 that being said 600 t Export at max effiency may be difficult shipping for you so maybe run base at half till you can get WCB upgrades on your starter ships [11-Oct-24 05:13 PM] ibumcuckets#0000 Yeah, prolly have to go pro license at some point as well i guess. So the base setup you suggested for Nascent is purely export to my AL production base then, is it better to just import the AGR commodities needed for INCs than to produce it myself? [11-Oct-24 08:35 PM] finestone#0000 You certainly can as it is profitable to do so! I show that base at about 60k-70k daily (max experts) buying inputs off CX but you would be subject to the market luckily there are a couple choices for inputs and there shouldnt be shortage. [11-Oct-24 08:36 PM] finestone#0000 profitabilty and inputs are not really the problem for that base it is the shipping time and fuel cost. [11-Oct-24 08:38 PM] finestone#0000 That being said another route you can take is find buyers that will pick up from you and just give them a discount ๐Ÿ™‚ [11-Oct-24 08:43 PM] tanda#0000 worth pointing out that AGRI markets are very thin. A small, self supplying base won't really stress them too much, but attempting to scale will run them dry {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [12-Oct-24 01:09 PM] mancules#0000 What exactly are the benefits of a corporation, I watched the in game tutorial but it didn't really help with understanding how corps are used in game and what the realistic benefits of it would be. Could anyone shed a little light on it for me? [12-Oct-24 01:12 PM] laaxus#0000 Corps are glorified groups of friend [12-Oct-24 01:12 PM] marat_sh#0000 It's not that different from this server... It's a group of people who work together to reach a goal what ever goal is... Plus you get a 10% bonus on corp HQ [12-Oct-24 01:13 PM] mancules#0000 Gotcha, thank you guys [12-Oct-24 01:13 PM] mancules#0000 From other mmos I kinda figured it would shake out like that but I wanted to make sure [12-Oct-24 01:14 PM] marat_sh#0000 I assume many corp features are not implemented yet [12-Oct-24 01:16 PM] mancules#0000 Will be cool to see where they take them then, gotta be a lot of opportunities to make them impactful [12-Oct-24 01:18 PM] mancules#0000 Also, while doing some preplanning for future bases I've noticed some planets don't have any population. Is it a safe bet, while I'm still a fledgling company, that planets with zero current population aren't a solid investment [12-Oct-24 01:18 PM] mancules#0000 Like I should be looking towards other, populated, planets for my next expansion [12-Oct-24 01:19 PM] tanda#0000 yes, absolutely [12-Oct-24 01:19 PM] tanda#0000 planets in general are developed by more advanced players who have a need for more planets of certain COGC types, or for resource extraction [12-Oct-24 01:20 PM] tanda#0000 I'm just about done stepping up YK-266c in order to make REA production easier, and it's been expensive and time consuming [12-Oct-24 01:21 PM] tanda#0000 don't worry, we all feel the call of the pioneer here [12-Oct-24 01:21 PM] mancules#0000 Makes sense, will probably plan around a planet in my current system then to minimize the logistical load with two ships [12-Oct-24 01:21 PM] mancules#0000 Plus theyre pretty active in terms of population [12-Oct-24 01:23 PM] mancules#0000 Is there a typical progression that players follow, or do I just mess around in the prun planner and adi to find something I think will be successful [12-Oct-24 01:24 PM] tanda#0000 the second one is more fun [12-Oct-24 01:25 PM] mancules#0000 That's what I like to hear [12-Oct-24 01:25 PM] tanda#0000 that said, it makes a lot of sense(and helps with transportation) to try to build vertically from your starting base [12-Oct-24 01:25 PM] tanda#0000 either tackle your personal supply needs, or further refine your goods before selling {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [12-Oct-24 01:26 PM] laaxus#0000 there's few type of profitable base once you look at it I recommend testing things in prun If you want a starting point I recommend checking the following bases : https://discord.com/channels/1183243037430796339/1254643011980234863/1292873346932932699 [12-Oct-24 01:26 PM] laaxus#0000 You should also think a bit about what kind of prun gameplay is fun to you [12-Oct-24 01:27 PM] marat_sh#0000 this is the most important part [12-Oct-24 01:27 PM] mancules#0000 I'll take a look here and see where it leads me, thanks! [12-Oct-24 01:28 PM] laaxus#0000 There's a few people that like to roleplay into an horizontal company : (zipatsu with water, JPM with manufacturing, Aracyn with mining) There's a few people that like doing an entirely vertical industry, minimizing risk There's a few people that like a more high risk high reward gameplay [12-Oct-24 01:28 PM] mancules#0000 This is something I've been trying to figure out, there's just so much it seems you can do and I'm not at the place to try most of it yet [12-Oct-24 01:32 PM] mancules#0000 But to circle back a bit, I noticed the COGC over at Agamemnon which is in my current system is chemistry, I haven't run a prun planner to know if it would be profitable but just for the sake of understanding the building vertical point, if I set up a flux production line to feed flux to my current base creating AL, that would be essentially building vertically? [12-Oct-24 01:33 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I always recommend refining goods. The closer you get to end-consumer use, the more margin there generally is with the final process. [12-Oct-24 01:34 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Unless of course, the market's just bottom out, like with H2O all over the universe. [12-Oct-24 01:34 PM] mancules#0000 So to that point, taking the AL somewhere to further refine it into say construction materials [12-Oct-24 01:34 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 But then it's a COGC/planet thing, with shipping. [12-Oct-24 01:35 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 That's a hybrid arrangement, unless if you setup different bases for those different things. [12-Oct-24 01:35 PM] laaxus#0000 Building vertically means producing the input you need This increases margins because this is strictly equivalent to selling at ask, buying at ask But with the following perks : - you "sell" instantly the inputs good you produced - you don't suffer from an unstable input good price - you don't suffer from input goods shortage There are no economic downside to be vertical, the game even encourage it [12-Oct-24 01:36 PM] jvaler#0000 nike is considered the go-to for that. you build PP2 and turn AL into bfabs/lfabs depending on the market [12-Oct-24 01:37 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Yes, and no. Just divide out the eventual "revenues" over the permits required for the plan. [12-Oct-24 01:37 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 That'll be your income. Compare it with other methods. [12-Oct-24 01:37 PM] mancules#0000 Ahhh ok I get it concept now [12-Oct-24 01:38 PM] mancules#0000 So then if that's the case, if I want to build a vertical base, backwards planning is the way to go, finding the end good I want to produce and sell and then building up the inputs needed to get there [12-Oct-24 01:38 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I consider this a vertical approach, if you use multiple bases/permits to get there... Hybrid if you only use 1 permit. [12-Oct-24 01:39 PM] mancules#0000 Got it, that makes a lot of sense [12-Oct-24 01:39 PM] jvaler#0000 > There are no economic downside to be vertical, the game even encourage it if the thing you're making isn't profitable on it's own, it's a worse use of your resources [12-Oct-24 01:40 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 The economical downsides could be considered on many scales: Revenues. Net profits. Volume... Many people chase the first two... I chase the last one. [12-Oct-24 01:40 PM] laaxus#0000 yes, but that usually means someone is selling that input good at a loss -> not sustainable [12-Oct-24 01:41 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 There's a general lag in market prices for most things.... If intermediate/end use materials are having a huge price change... The critical events happened like a month ago, and you just didn't notice it. [12-Oct-24 01:42 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Say for DW.... H2O basically went ballistic (shot up in price). It takes some time for people to churn through their inventories, and come up with a new price, if you aren't selling directly to ASKs or BIDS. [12-Oct-24 01:43 PM] jvaler#0000 hmm i never thought about that, but yeah [12-Oct-24 02:04 PM] marat_sh#0000 if item doesn't sell... refine it until it sells [13-Oct-24 08:46 AM] mancules#0000 Whatโ€™s the standard when it comes to trading? For instance Iโ€™ve got a load of AL, option A is I bring it to Antares where I sell on the CX through bids and asks, Iโ€™ve heard doing like a 50/50 split on them is a good idea, but option B is volume trades to a specific buyer, Iโ€™m sure it changes from player to player but what would be a good number before I put up a general trade offer? 500 tons worth or specific number value of the commodity ect and is it standard practice to store the commodity I plan to sell this way at a station like Antares or keep at my base to ship direct or for direct pick up? [13-Oct-24 08:47 AM] mancules#0000 Iโ€™m sure this is nuanced and varies depending on the situation Iโ€™m just curious what the standard operating procedure is [13-Oct-24 08:47 AM] laaxus#0000 i you don't need money now, sell at ask, else, sell at bid [13-Oct-24 08:48 AM] laaxus#0000 a nuance is if there's a juicy enough bid order; then it's better to sell at bid, even if you don't need the money now [13-Oct-24 08:54 AM] mancules#0000 Perfect makes sense, thank you [13-Oct-24 08:55 AM] mancules#0000 As for a specific buyer Iโ€™ll just keep my eyes open for any interest while I build up a stock [13-Oct-24 08:59 AM] igfloz#0000 You might get a good response on the LM at Nike. there's more than a couple of people over there doing Construction prefabs [13-Oct-24 09:29 AM] marat_sh#0000 Trading at ASK for AL is better deal right now [13-Oct-24 09:30 AM] marat_sh#0000 if BIDs drop below 700/u you can start looking for consistent customers [13-Oct-24 10:14 AM] realharvey#0000 You should figure out what your production cost is per AL. You'll have enough room for profit even selling at lower prices [13-Oct-24 10:15 AM] realharvey#0000 Don't stress too much about maximizing profits [13-Oct-24 10:43 AM] mancules#0000 This is good idea, I'll work on this now [13-Oct-24 09:35 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Not true if they are supply factors relevant to the item. Itโ€™s usual for prices and supply at fixed price points to fluctuate regularly, and wildly [13-Oct-24 10:21 PM] jvaler#0000 like raw agri? [13-Oct-24 10:22 PM] jvaler#0000 you still have to account for the proftability of the end product too. so the cost of the extra FRM base just gets added on to the calculation for the end product [13-Oct-24 10:26 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Exactly. If you vertically integrate, itโ€™s not a complete waste of time looking at each levelโ€™s profitability, but I give near infinitely more weight to the final product spilt across the necessary bases [13-Oct-24 10:27 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Because the stability provided by separating yourself from the instability and volatility of the market is worth quite a lot. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [13-Oct-24 10:28 PM] riseoffilth#0000 Just look at me. I ainโ€™t poor and I do nothing but vertical integration. Ask all the Colabing folks who work with me how it works out for them. (Not necessarily the value of a IDC base, but I think 45k/permit is good for low/midtier) [13-Oct-24 10:29 PM] riseoffilth#0000 And all I do is give money away hand over fist [15-Oct-24 10:06 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Howโ€™s the demand for KV here? CX seems to be relatively slowโ€ฆ [15-Oct-24 10:36 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Anybody buying or producing it themself? [15-Oct-24 10:50 AM] razenpok#0000 I'm producing it (16.68/d), and using most of it in RDE/ADE production [15-Oct-24 10:50 AM] razenpok#0000 All three are slow movers [16-Oct-24 04:17 AM] .nvf#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1296039420352266294/image.png?ex=68148dc5&is=68133c45&hm=4d8087739ca6dc88f9d96e8508fbf461260c9bb7b0f20f4f2901eb9d36a347fc& [16-Oct-24 04:18 AM] .nvf#0000 what's going on..? [16-Oct-24 04:33 AM] akyantor#0000 I think the game is having some issues... waiting for the devs to fix it up [16-Oct-24 04:41 AM] .nvf#0000 Okay so not just me, phew [16-Oct-24 04:45 AM] akyantor#0000 Yeah, it's very slow and certain functions (like ship flight) seem completely bust. [16-Oct-24 05:21 AM] ibumcuckets#0000 THE ASTRONOMICON IS DOWN! THE GALAXY IS DOOMED! DOOMED I TELL YA! [16-Oct-24 05:23 AM] ibumcuckets#0000 got a full weeks of supplies just sitting on ANT1 and I'm in the red soon on Deimos. [16-Oct-24 07:09 AM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1296082518314979398/image.png?ex=6814b5e8&is=68136468&hm=723f974d5255374412cb7d5deffeffde5cf216b6c4f490b913a069068f043316& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘€ [16-Oct-24 07:09 AM] tanda#0000 Not even finished yet, lol [16-Oct-24 07:18 AM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 Yeah experiencing the same here, desktop and mobile [16-Oct-24 07:19 AM] spermatozoon_saloon#0000 Certain planets seem to be affected in particular, or at least have repeatable display issues. For me it's Norwick and ice station alpha [16-Oct-24 05:19 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Yeah it happens at times. Just get what you can do, and then take the rest of the day off. ๐Ÿ˜› [18-Oct-24 03:36 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Sometimes Iโ€™m browsing companies and user. Found this one: account exists for nearly 4 years, has only one base on Deimos and regarding the name, they probably just producing AL on Deimos ๐Ÿ˜… {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1296753771287674974/image.png?ex=6814840f&is=6813328f&hm=36b35a16d714a2dd831075a498e1dcee4cfc1d660a796aa0a574948d23655aa2& [18-Oct-24 03:37 AM] pxlfox.#0000 The company only exists for 226 days, so they coliqed at some point [18-Oct-24 03:38 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Find it nonetheless funny ^^ [18-Oct-24 04:17 AM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/5UHh.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/honest-word-its-honest-work-it-aint-much-it-aint-much-but-its-honest-work-gif-13763573 it ain't much, but it's honest work. https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/pPaUwWlTlD-xGoBC65_pYKu75JuLNZD1Pu7cIykij6E/https/media.tenor.com/sH_KNNF07EoAAAAe/honest-word-its-honest-work.png [18-Oct-24 07:54 AM] mancules#0000 Is there any tool to calculate the optimal time to send a ship somewhere to maximize the speed/fuel cost? [18-Oct-24 07:55 AM] laaxus#0000 it depends on planets position [18-Oct-24 07:55 AM] laaxus#0000 so no [18-Oct-24 07:56 AM] mancules#0000 I figured, guess Iโ€™ll have to figure it out the hard way [18-Oct-24 07:57 AM] laaxus#0000 The dumb way I do it is just using 200 fuel every trip, whatever the source and destination :kekw: [18-Oct-24 07:58 AM] marat_sh#0000 ๐Ÿ‘† I use time to arrive instead of fuel amount [18-Oct-24 08:02 AM] realharvey#0000 I personally use "When is the next Time I'll check into prun and have enough time to send ships around?" To set the fuel sliders. (For me its like 2-4 Times a day) Then I set the sliders as low as possible for a suitable timeframe. If I have to spend a lot of fuel to get an earlier window then I'll take a lower one [18-Oct-24 08:02 AM] realharvey#0000 the ship arriving earlier on a planet doesn't give you any advantage, when you are not there to send it somewhere else [18-Oct-24 08:08 AM] evov#0000 I agree with everything HarveyG just said. That's exactly how I do it. [18-Oct-24 01:30 PM] .urpalhal#0000 unless you're a dumb dumb and forget to send the ship earlier so your base is going to run out of supplies unless it gets there a bit earlier [18-Oct-24 01:32 PM] laaxus#0000 M'y base is out of supply anyway, what's one more day {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ ๐Ÿ‘† [18-Oct-24 06:51 PM] tanda#0000 @superbadsounds hey did you get all of your SET on YK-266c? [18-Oct-24 07:31 PM] superbadsounds#0000 I'm at 298/535, but it's much much better than none now haha [18-Oct-24 07:33 PM] tanda#0000 yes, for sure. That's more than I thought we'd have [18-Oct-24 07:57 PM] getonthetrain#0000 What, we got a new neighbor on yak? [18-Oct-24 07:58 PM] tanda#0000 we do! {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [18-Oct-24 08:00 PM] getonthetrain#0000 I'll bring some brownies over then [19-Oct-24 01:58 AM] superbadsounds#0000 Are these.. special brownies by chance? I could bring some HER over and we can have a really good time lol [22-Oct-24 07:03 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Are there community tools to analyse the market as a whole? [22-Oct-24 07:03 AM] pxlfox.#0000 For example with statistics about what materials dropped last week in price [22-Oct-24 07:03 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Which are under- or oversupplied [22-Oct-24 07:03 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Those kind of metrics [22-Oct-24 07:04 AM] laaxus#0000 prunplanner [22-Oct-24 07:04 AM] tanda#0000 there are some tools on PRUN planner, but otherwise it's really build your own [22-Oct-24 07:04 AM] pxlfox.#0000 PP lets you look at specific materials in specific markets [22-Oct-24 07:05 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I would love a more broader approach with a list of all materials and there trade volume, price, production margin, etc. comparable and sortable [22-Oct-24 07:08 AM] pxlfox.#0000 FIOs csv/prices returns the current state of the market, doesnโ€™t it? [22-Oct-24 07:09 AM] laaxus#0000 yes [22-Oct-24 07:15 AM] tanda#0000 they return the data that FIO has for it. Most of the power players use FIO so data is pretty comprehensive, but not 100% [22-Oct-24 03:41 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I did it ๐Ÿฅณ [22-Oct-24 03:41 PM] pxlfox.#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1298385875209556128/image.png?ex=68148553&is=681333d3&hm=345595a8167b6632d12460bbd1961853258f86e6bef2f74d88051a061f0e805a& [22-Oct-24 03:58 PM] realharvey#0000 great! [22-Oct-24 10:30 PM] evov#0000 I track my own CX activity over time. Not sure if/where you'd find a full list of all CX transactions though, which I guess is the raw data you'd need for what you're talking about (I think) [23-Oct-24 02:04 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I think FIO is good enough. I would need a custom script, which collects the data from there and generates the reports. [23-Oct-24 02:22 AM] realharvey#0000 I dont know if anything could actually track if something has been bought or if someone just deleted the position [23-Oct-24 02:37 AM] pxlfox.#0000 the game can - but we don't have an official API yet, so we canโ€™t. Iโ€™m not sure, if FIO can pick those infos up. [23-Oct-24 05:09 AM] pxlfox.#0000 As far as I understood I can always pack up my stuff and move it somewhere else, right? My buildings, base, etc. of course I would lose some materials, but other then that I donโ€™t see any reason to COLIQ, except I actually want to have a clean start somewhere else or on a planet you canโ€™t setup a base anymore [23-Oct-24 05:17 AM] evov#0000 Potentially if you started, made really bad choices and actually lost money... you could back yourself into a corner financially... that would make sense to COLIQ. But yeah, you can delete everything on the planet and get the permit back, and "most" of the materials... depending on how far through the repair cycle is. [23-Oct-24 03:31 PM] manhim#0000 what's the "APEX Representation Center" and what does it do? [23-Oct-24 03:33 PM] jcheung#0000 EPEEN [23-Oct-24 03:37 PM] manhim#0000 nice [25-Oct-24 10:48 AM] pxlfox.#0000 trying my luck with a custom build base manager - this is what I got so far: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1299399314841276496/image.png?ex=6814e96a&is=681397ea&hm=9cd198e19e4238d7d73f0215e94f1cb3be94bd2a0833d8eda849dab3ba3722df& [25-Oct-24 10:49 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Those values are configured and calculated on dedicated sheets [25-Oct-24 12:18 PM] realharvey#0000 looks very cool! {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜Š [25-Oct-24 04:52 PM] evov#0000 Looking very clean [26-Oct-24 08:58 AM] kahetabi#0000 And I thought to myself "well, I'm going to ANT anyway, that shouldn't take much extra time and resources" {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1299733993968635974/image.png?ex=6814cf9c&is=68137e1c&hm=57833d366ac884becc49d5f30de297251d37a8c4d089ae17e2a8f6c24a251fdc& [26-Oct-24 08:59 AM] kahetabi#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1299734109144354836/image.png?ex=6814cfb7&is=68137e37&hm=c36f7d236bb0fea3d8844b2f6b004c9f814dbb69474c35851ec2d1e69d617a58& [26-Oct-24 08:59 AM] kahetabi#0000 https://tenor.com/view/excuse-me-cry-emotional-gif-12455097 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/excuse-me-cry-emotional-gif-12455097 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/HKPkppwg0DN-h4ewc1brqHJQtHlNht9-QXJVoLF0s_8/https/media.tenor.com/xMc6o2-3-xkAAAAe/excuse-me-cry.png [26-Oct-24 09:00 AM] kahetabi#0000 I can't even terminate it xD [26-Oct-24 09:01 AM] marat_sh#0000 losing a ship for 20 days is crazy [26-Oct-24 09:07 AM] tanda#0000 Jump out to s neighboring system and then back in....oh wsit [26-Oct-24 09:07 AM] tanda#0000 Contact molp? [26-Oct-24 09:14 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Yeah, reaching the far outer planet is a pain sometimes [26-Oct-24 09:15 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Have trips to Astraeus, which take up to 20 hours+ [26-Oct-24 09:19 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Yeah baby. 25 AUs in orbit..... That's not counting the arc curve that your ship will travel en route to that planet. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1299739194784223242/Screenshot_from_2024-10-26_09-18-46.png?ex=6814d474&is=681382f4&hm=8c0df262820442fe472a018983255590ebd525c80a34358da07a808085e41e01& [27-Oct-24 09:32 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Does anyone know how I calculate the required inputs and generated materials, if I have multiple recipes queued? E.g. I smelt AL, which takes around 11 h and CU, which takes around 8h. Both are alternating, so my 14 SME smelt 7 CU and 7 AL at the moment. PrunPlanner and PMMG throw out the same numbers, so Iโ€™m guessing my calculations need to be off. [27-Oct-24 09:33 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I though I could calculate how much a full base of a specific recipe would generate and take half of it, but thatโ€™s not the case [27-Oct-24 09:36 AM] laaxus#0000 consider the production list as one recipe [27-Oct-24 09:37 AM] laaxus#0000 so, you have recipe a and b [27-Oct-24 09:37 AM] laaxus#0000 you sum their input and outputs [27-Oct-24 09:37 AM] laaxus#0000 and you multiply that by 24/(timeA + TimeB) [27-Oct-24 09:40 AM] jcheung#0000 how are you currently doing it [27-Oct-24 09:41 AM] jcheung#0000 oh, i need to learn to read [27-Oct-24 09:41 AM] jcheung#0000 so here's the problem [27-Oct-24 09:41 AM] jcheung#0000 if you have a full base [27-Oct-24 09:41 AM] jcheung#0000 in a 24 hr period, half is 12 hrs [27-Oct-24 09:42 AM] jcheung#0000 so you have 1.09x of one AL run and 1.5 runs of CU in those 12 hrs [27-Oct-24 12:02 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I try that and see, if the numbers fit [28-Oct-24 05:17 AM] kahetabi#0000 (pinned) {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1300402957136691242/image0.jpg?ex=68149ba1&is=68134a21&hm=ae597e1d074fe85f4166e2cb7288bd72da0cfa1e8df9f5e3a6579fb085e2641e& [28-Oct-24 05:17 AM] kahetabi#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1300403058215354410/image0.png?ex=68149bb9&is=68134a39&hm=2c01c2c6276f51d111797c163d7e721aa1579821a7b625745683a5d9f3e70a00& [28-Oct-24 11:56 AM] .urpalhal#0000 :KEK: [28-Oct-24 01:52 PM] pxlfox.#0000 That seems to work [28-Oct-24 01:52 PM] pxlfox.#0000 But I'm not sure what numbers I can trust [28-Oct-24 01:53 PM] pxlfox.#0000 XIT BURN says I use 18,9 a day {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1300532841335095419/image.png?ex=68151498&is=6813c318&hm=93241600f5f6f76d40c3b67c1acdd98a7c355045273156e15406fcf2f814f118& [28-Oct-24 01:53 PM] pxlfox.#0000 PP says 19.05 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1300532926278139904/image.png?ex=681514ac&is=6813c32c&hm=f9a0310a1c3897e6456c2440d69d1a98b9eb19db633247d5922c361f4babb9a4& [28-Oct-24 01:53 PM] pxlfox.#0000 and 19,05 is what I get calculated [28-Oct-24 01:55 PM] igfloz#0000 you might have to take into consideration your production building repair. As your buildings age, their production starts dropping, which in turn means you use less product [28-Oct-24 01:55 PM] pxlfox.#0000 aaah, that might actually be [28-Oct-24 01:55 PM] pxlfox.#0000 yeah, line is at 99% [28-Oct-24 01:55 PM] jvaler#0000 Pinned a message. [28-Oct-24 01:56 PM] pxlfox.#0000 that's probably it [28-Oct-24 01:56 PM] pxlfox.#0000 well, then my formula is basically correct. Building degredation is a topic for another day... [28-Oct-24 01:56 PM] igfloz#0000 nice, I'm happy you made some sense of it ๐Ÿ˜„ [28-Oct-24 02:18 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Deimos is rockin' ๐Ÿ˜Ž [28-Oct-24 02:18 PM] pxlfox.#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1300539258242863134/image.png?ex=68151a92&is=6813c912&hm=839c619e8980c9feb09f3d37666615d540aa0c2cdc96fa629f9914724c0adef1& [28-Oct-24 02:21 PM] laaxus#0000 LI ? [28-Oct-24 02:21 PM] pxlfox.#0000 CU [28-Oct-24 02:25 PM] laaxus#0000 as long as you sell it [28-Oct-24 02:26 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I do ๐Ÿ™‚ [28-Oct-24 02:27 PM] pxlfox.#0000 It's not that much, that the market will crash... yet [28-Oct-24 02:36 PM] realharvey#0000 how much do you produce per day? [28-Oct-24 02:42 PM] pxlfox.#0000 currently, 56 [28-Oct-24 02:43 PM] realharvey#0000 and that gives you 100k per day? :D [28-Oct-24 02:43 PM] realharvey#0000 nice [28-Oct-24 02:43 PM] pxlfox.#0000 well, the copper alone sells for 130.000 [28-Oct-24 02:44 PM] pxlfox.#0000 and I'm prodcing 76 AL, which adds another 50.000 [28-Oct-24 02:44 PM] pxlfox.#0000 and the base costs around 80.000 [28-Oct-24 02:44 PM] pxlfox.#0000 full CU would probably be even more profitable - but my supply isn't there yet [28-Oct-24 02:46 PM] realharvey#0000 I personally would not increase the CU production [28-Oct-24 02:47 PM] realharvey#0000 does not look like the market in A1 can soak up more without dropping the prices [28-Oct-24 02:47 PM] pxlfox.#0000 yeah, probably [28-Oct-24 02:48 PM] pxlfox.#0000 maybe someday, when CU isn't my main buisness, I'm going to just flush the market with CUO and CU [28-Oct-24 02:48 PM] pxlfox.#0000 and see what happens [28-Oct-24 02:48 PM] laaxus#0000 let me spoil you [28-Oct-24 02:48 PM] laaxus#0000 if you sell it at current market price, it will take weeks to be sold [28-Oct-24 02:49 PM] laaxus#0000 if you crash the market, big rich guys will just buy your whole ask order, and market will correct instantly [28-Oct-24 02:50 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I wonder how much they are willing to soak up, till they just give up [28-Oct-24 02:50 PM] laaxus#0000 hundred of millions [28-Oct-24 02:50 PM] laaxus#0000 you don't have that kind of capital [28-Oct-24 02:50 PM] pxlfox.#0000 no, definetly not yet [28-Oct-24 02:50 PM] pxlfox.#0000 again, just an idea for the far future [28-Oct-24 02:51 PM] pxlfox.#0000 for now, I'm happy with my 100k profit base ๐Ÿ™‚ [28-Oct-24 02:51 PM] laaxus#0000 you should be ! [28-Oct-24 02:51 PM] laaxus#0000 as long as you don't do silly mistakes, all will go well [28-Oct-24 02:52 PM] realharvey#0000 after all its a Smelterbase {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ [28-Oct-24 02:52 PM] realharvey#0000 so he can just smelt other stuff if it takes to long to sail [28-Oct-24 02:52 PM] laaxus#0000 as long as he doesn't invest too much capital in unsold product like .... 4.872M AIC ... all will go well [28-Oct-24 02:53 PM] pxlfox.#0000 FIO doesn't have a 30d average price endpoint, does it? [28-Oct-24 02:55 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Gaia is sitting on the CU market, so as long as I don't flood it, all will be fine ๐Ÿ™‚ [28-Oct-24 02:57 PM] razenpok#0000 No, but I made a bot that calculates it https://refined-prun.github.io/refined-prices/all.csv {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [28-Oct-24 02:57 PM] razenpok#0000 It's not as up-to-date as FIO, but it catches up within a day [28-Oct-24 02:57 PM] pxlfox.#0000 That's more then enough for me [28-Oct-24 02:58 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I just want a "long term indicator" value for comparison to the current prices [28-Oct-24 02:58 PM] razenpok#0000 These are the additional columns {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1300549333921566851/image.png?ex=68147b34&is=681329b4&hm=f2ae5c4d7a23b92fa299f6daf0f48bd3ace73c2ea05072fe4de3c1847fa7365f& [28-Oct-24 02:58 PM] razenpok#0000 https://refined-prun.github.io/refined-prices/all.json If you need json [28-Oct-24 03:00 PM] pxlfox.#0000 what columns are 30d average bid and ask? ๐Ÿ˜… [28-Oct-24 03:00 PM] realharvey#0000 Uhh a database for a refined prun [28-Oct-24 03:01 PM] razenpok#0000 Ah, no, there's no average bid and ask columns. VWAP is volume-weighted average price [28-Oct-24 03:01 PM] razenpok#0000 7D/30D [28-Oct-24 03:01 PM] pxlfox.#0000 what's that? ๐Ÿ˜ฎ [28-Oct-24 03:02 PM] razenpok#0000 It takes each day over 30D and calculates the average, but each day is adjusted according to the traded volume [28-Oct-24 03:03 PM] razenpok#0000 So random irrelevant spikes in price don't affect the total average [28-Oct-24 03:04 PM] pxlfox.#0000 so it's... a normilized average price over 30d? [28-Oct-24 03:04 PM] razenpok#0000 So, in short, it's a "reliable" average price, yes [28-Oct-24 03:04 PM] pxlfox.#0000 good enough for me [28-Oct-24 03:04 PM] razenpok#0000 I'm using it for cost estimations in my sheets [28-Oct-24 03:05 PM] razenpok#0000 VWAP7D is more dynamic and catches up faster with the market tho [28-Oct-24 03:05 PM] pxlfox.#0000 But it's the average price - not bid/ask seperate, right? [28-Oct-24 03:05 PM] razenpok#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1300551109248680026/image.png?ex=68147cdb&is=68132b5b&hm=7155a0d05800868c42d49ab1f745ada4c6fb3738cc2f63047bfa18a52eb60189& [28-Oct-24 03:06 PM] razenpok#0000 It's based on all Open/Close/High/Low of the day [28-Oct-24 03:06 PM] pxlfox.#0000 ok [28-Oct-24 03:20 PM] pxlfox.#0000 your endpoint has no data for CUO ๐Ÿ˜… [28-Oct-24 03:21 PM] razenpok#0000 wdym [28-Oct-24 03:22 PM] razenpok#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1300555399136809023/image.png?ex=681480da&is=68132f5a&hm=0c1cb7c60fb8022972a54e105b76072c6c1b9f89a62c32538e65ca8a42eeff70& [28-Oct-24 03:23 PM] pxlfox.#0000 yeah, but VWAP7d is empty [28-Oct-24 03:23 PM] razenpok#0000 Probably it was not traded in the last 7d? [28-Oct-24 03:24 PM] pxlfox.#0000 yeah ๐Ÿ˜… [28-Oct-24 03:24 PM] pxlfox.#0000 then I didn't say anything [28-Oct-24 03:47 PM] finestone#0000 A great way is to calc the % change in 7 VWAP to 30 VWAP to see important price movements ๐Ÿ˜Ž [28-Oct-24 03:48 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I use it mainly as a control value, to have a "reality" check, if the current prices are not some sort of a bubble {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1300561780497449062/image.png?ex=681486cb&is=6813354b&hm=2c5738a18aa9710d6c74e90ce9ac5fc918f0e8696b4d44f6da9c02308e38f642& [28-Oct-24 03:48 PM] pxlfox.#0000 (first is current prices, second is 7d avg) [28-Oct-24 03:49 PM] pxlfox.#0000 But that's a good idea ๐Ÿค” maybe I will implement it later on [28-Oct-24 03:50 PM] razenpok#0000 https://tenor.com/view/sell-buy-volatilit%C3%A9-volatility-jim-kramer-gif-10330375900373114399 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/sell-buy-volatilit%C3%A9-volatility-jim-kramer-gif-10330375900373114399 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/ahPkKQIlDLaS9Hm9Y8Pf0PLl9UMHswPi7TjOFrMw4cs/https/media.tenor.com/j1zeJhH-3h8AAAAe/sell-buy-volatilit%25C3%25A9-volatility-jim-kramer.png [28-Oct-24 03:54 PM] finestone#0000 https://tenor.com/view/jim-cramer-donut-eth-ethtrader-bronut-gif-5492903077757646647 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/jim-cramer-donut-eth-ethtrader-bronut-gif-5492903077757646647 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/8ObLntMMJqVlMWu9pHtp3n-VDVXCm5VIBdoQ_cJ4e-U/https/media.tenor.com/TDq2Px9k9zcAAAAe/jim-cramer-donut.png [28-Oct-24 05:39 PM] jcheung#0000 I have more than that tied up in stock ๐Ÿ˜“ [29-Oct-24 01:40 AM] evov#0000 For "long term" or baseline valuation of materials - I use a derived value model. I'll use CX values for raw materials, consumables and repairs... and derived values for everything else. Using that model I can, at a moment's notice, look at what a ship costs me to make if I'm ok with zero profit margins on any of the planets involved. Or, what the price would look like if I wanted all the steps to have the same profitability as IDC's. I don't use it all the time, but for complicated / compound products, it's really handy to be able to bypass whatever the CX "thinks" certain low trade volume items are "worth". [29-Oct-24 01:41 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Thatโ€™s some good numbers to have, too [29-Oct-24 01:54 AM] jcheung#0000 derived as in something like, raw materials cost + consumable cost + repair cost + 25% profit margin? [29-Oct-24 02:41 AM] evov#0000 Derived as in .. the only things where CX values are used are - raw materials, base repairs, worker consumables. [29-Oct-24 05:45 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Iโ€™m wondering: are you considering shipping costs into your calculations and if yes, how? [29-Oct-24 06:03 AM] evov#0000 Not in that tool, no. I don't use it for that purpose. It's primarily used as a "check" on what things should be worth... especially things that require multiple steps with fairly uncertain pricing on the intermediate steps. I do evaluate shipping costs on a base by base system. That's where I also use localized (e.g. ANT specific pricing ) rather than global averages for prices. Something you might find interesting ... when I was trying to do the modeling for the derived model (I called it UPI - universal price index ) .. one of the methods I tested out was looking at the cost of shipping, more specifically, the capital cost of shipping required, and adding that to the cost to build the base to get a more accurate total cost for setting up a base. Unfortunately, the resulting numbers had virtually zero correlation to CX prices. While I think it is a very relevant metric.... cost of base + cost of ships + cost of 60-90 days of consumes + cost of 1 ship load of inputs.... use that total number to work out ROI... not just the cost of the base.... if it has near zero correlation to what everyone else thinks something is worth - it's not super useful to me so I scrapped it in favor of something that gives a better fit. [29-Oct-24 10:50 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Now extended my overview with a production costs calculation {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1300849225130704896/image.png?ex=6814e9bf&is=6813983f&hm=f5554f53940f2c1c698994c2f71c36ae9b08c7580f99a6c10a43b582e10327cf& [29-Oct-24 10:51 AM] pxlfox.#0000 "Ideal Price" is what I would need to take, to get 100.000 AIC a day just from this product [29-Oct-24 10:52 AM] pxlfox.#0000 And "Target Price" just adds 20% [29-Oct-24 11:00 AM] marat_sh#0000 so you making around ~44k (assuming you sell everything to BID)? Nice ๐Ÿ‘ [29-Oct-24 01:58 PM] pxlfox.#0000 weird, my C base on Harmonia is producing C way to expensive {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1300896594815881256/image.png?ex=681515dd&is=6813c45d&hm=6a068c50a31f16064e8b0cd63035bd93e4b10fe7c22e54b7ba5c8796bd3570fb& [29-Oct-24 01:59 PM] pxlfox.#0000 but interestingly, its still profitable with the current CX prices ๐Ÿค” {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1300896750734934057/image.png?ex=68151602&is=6813c482&hm=ddf9c4db353810e0578767f849c42517480babd11aaf7270e1cf63eea3ed6ab1& [29-Oct-24 02:00 PM] moke.#0000 You're welcome {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜‚ stonks [29-Oct-24 02:00 PM] pxlfox.#0000 the goal with this base is to lower the prices eventually... [29-Oct-24 02:01 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Harmonia INC? [29-Oct-24 02:01 PM] pxlfox.#0000 so I have to make that base better ๐Ÿ˜… [29-Oct-24 02:01 PM] pxlfox.#0000 yeah, it produces GRN and C on Harmonia [29-Oct-24 02:01 PM] moke.#0000 You'll wanna move inc off eventually [29-Oct-24 02:02 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah probs sunk cost in inefficient use or RAT etc since CoGC is Agg not Resource Ext [29-Oct-24 02:02 PM] pxlfox.#0000 I know - waiting for funds [29-Oct-24 02:02 PM] moke.#0000 ~~Let me just drive the price back up to 1k real quick to help you out~~ [29-Oct-24 02:03 PM] pxlfox.#0000 ๐Ÿ™ˆ please don't [29-Oct-24 02:03 PM] laaxus#0000 for the love of god please don't [29-Oct-24 02:03 PM] laaxus#0000 don't make me type the sign [29-Oct-24 02:03 PM] moke.#0000 I feel a *little* bad [29-Oct-24 02:04 PM] moke.#0000 But so many small orders undercutting more than a dozen credits made it too easy [29-Oct-24 02:04 PM] sidepipe#0000 Donโ€™t do it (until I list all my carbon at 999 AIC ๐Ÿ˜) [29-Oct-24 02:04 PM] moke.#0000 LOL [29-Oct-24 02:04 PM] laaxus#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1300898084460691536/Untitled.jpg?ex=68151740&is=6813c5c0&hm=b908b4cbef651d08b5b784aefa3cf038f2aa75c1cc32195a16f243fdb41cbc39& [29-Oct-24 02:04 PM] moke.#0000 Oh I'm just reselling, I actually produce C [29-Oct-24 02:05 PM] moke.#0000 Easiest way to make my own stuff profitable since I have the capital sitting around [29-Oct-24 02:07 PM] realharvey#0000 When supply and demand are in equilibrium the prices for lower tiered goods usually end up at around 50k-65k profit per permit. [29-Oct-24 02:07 PM] moke.#0000 Now if the CX had taxes... {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [29-Oct-24 02:14 PM] pxlfox.#0000 all my bases -not to bad after 47 days ๐Ÿ˜Ž {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1300900613407641680/image.png?ex=6815199b&is=6813c81b&hm=88489e85afffb2cca107c9c6c499ee5931ba2ca4313717d8c25ef2f492f36b03& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ”ฅ [29-Oct-24 07:12 PM] tanda#0000 What price point do you use for your calculations? If you're growing your ingredients you're still only at about 120-150 per unit of GRN/HCP/MAI [30-Oct-24 04:14 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Yeah, my production calculation for C is not quite right. It takes the current GRN bid price, which would make production unprofitable. But I produce some myself, which should take the value down. Since the base makes profit, the real value is somewhere below the current CX bid. My sheets canโ€™t really handle this scenario, but I can throw some numbers manually later and see what comes out [30-Oct-24 10:39 PM] tanda#0000 I just got my 4th expert like right now {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1301390182020550756/image.png?ex=6814e74e&is=681395ce&hm=5a7bd6de3942330c70c68cbc77286cfe81d40068165b867b7968afc07ef5250f& {Reactions} ๐ŸŽ‰ (3) [30-Oct-24 10:44 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1301391403234099301/image.png?ex=6814e871&is=681396f1&hm=0ab570f3a9aa036b290a07261ea8122e389c7900c9e24188b63dcf344497a1bc& [31-Oct-24 02:32 AM] riseoffilth#0000 Iโ€™m coming for ya. Gonna take that spot [31-Oct-24 02:33 AM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/jIW9G9aveYM.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/haker-minions-pelea-yo-quiero-ser-el-haker-mi-villano-favorito-gif-8024652252443741322 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Vml47vjwncqlyx1YPvcZwBMWohBEBj0k8RYCEmEuEe4/https/media.tenor.com/b11KtQjyjIoAAAAe/haker-minions.png [01-Nov-24 11:06 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Thinking about setting up a PP base [01-Nov-24 11:06 AM] pxlfox.#0000 As I see it, there is no use in having PP1, is there? [01-Nov-24 11:06 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Since PP2 can basically do the same better [01-Nov-24 11:06 AM] .urpalhal#0000 PP1 makes better BDe [01-Nov-24 11:16 AM] realharvey#0000 Just as a headsup: If you go for LFabs you'll be competing against my 3Lfab bases [01-Nov-24 11:17 AM] tanda#0000 There's a market, though. I'm getting out and starting to consume lfabs {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [01-Nov-24 09:17 PM] evov#0000 The reality is that whatever you make, you'll be competing against someone. At least with Lfabs, they're almost certainly an ongoing repair cost nearly everyone in the game needs to make or buy. [02-Nov-24 02:59 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 A better reality, is with whatever you do; .... You shouldn't compete with friend/partner, rather with some random other!. You'd all be better off with structuring your relationships with whatever partners you might have, to suit end-retail market prospects, so that you're not competing with amongst each another! [02-Nov-24 03:01 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 It might be a big game, but if you are all doing the same thing, you'll be competing against each other's CX.ASK orders, on the markets, every week... *since everyone here should be ANT-based?*... It's a maths questions, and a good idea in the long-term. [02-Nov-24 03:24 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I agree, in a friendly economy, there is no need to compete against each other. But as we discussed in other channels, it is nearly impossible to calculate the market and balance it out. Especially, since not everybody in ANT is here to discuss his next steps. Therefore everybody of us guessing and trying to react to what gets thrown at us. But I wouldnโ€™t purposely inflate or deflate a market of a fellow CEO here. On the other hand, if there is a demand, thereโ€™s room to sell ๐Ÿ˜„ [02-Nov-24 03:25 AM] pxlfox.#0000 But Iโ€™m not trying to concentrate on lfabs alone, just pfabs in general. There is, as far as I see it, a limited amount of actually viable markets. [02-Nov-24 03:26 AM] pxlfox.#0000 One of those are pfabs, shipping components and consumables (and respectively the materials used to produce them). [02-Nov-24 03:27 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Thatโ€™s one of the reason, why everybody can produce AL on Deimos - because those markets eat it up [02-Nov-24 03:29 AM] pxlfox.#0000 The shipping market is well managed by Evo, Rise and the OOG group (and probably others). [02-Nov-24 03:30 AM] pxlfox.#0000 bfabs arenโ€™t really profitable, so nobody produces them. Lfabs are covered by the friendly corgi in your neighbourhood. [02-Nov-24 03:31 AM] pxlfox.#0000 So yeahโ€ฆ hard to find something you wonโ€™t compete with each other ๐Ÿ˜… [02-Nov-24 03:32 AM] pxlfox.#0000 (Sorry for the many texts, it just came out) [02-Nov-24 03:33 AM] laaxus#0000 Have you considered chemistry ? [02-Nov-24 03:33 AM] laaxus#0000 EPO PG CL ? [02-Nov-24 03:34 AM] pxlfox.#0000 PG is definitely on my radar [02-Nov-24 03:34 AM] pxlfox.#0000 But didnโ€™t looked to much into it so far [02-Nov-24 03:34 AM] pxlfox.#0000 pfabs seemed to be a logical step, since they eat up AL, of which I have plenty [02-Nov-24 04:00 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 To Pxlfox... What you see in-game, on the CXM, is not a "friendly" economy.. It's a competitive one. The friendly variant is engendered through months + years of cooperation through various means of coordination, be it private, be it corporate, or be it associative (in-game co-ops).... And you will never see the exchange details on FIO, btw. [02-Nov-24 07:58 AM] marat_sh#0000 I need TCL for KV production ๐Ÿ˜… [02-Nov-24 07:59 AM] marat_sh#0000 Not a lot yet, but would be helpful if someone would start dropping price for it [02-Nov-24 08:10 AM] laaxus#0000 labs are crazy expensive [02-Nov-24 08:45 AM] marat_sh#0000 True... but I am also using 15 TCL/d right now ( with just 2 WPLs ๐Ÿ’€ ) [02-Nov-24 08:45 AM] marat_sh#0000 potentially it's gonna grow to 90 TCL/d ๐Ÿ’€ [02-Nov-24 01:12 PM] tanda#0000 I'm thinking about moving into North Antares next year [02-Nov-24 01:14 PM] tanda#0000 MHL is way too expensive and I think I can set up a complex of bases in that region to get costs down to around 3k with 70 per day production [02-Nov-24 04:16 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Do it, the grass is greener here [02-Nov-24 04:17 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 (Seriously, there's so many fertile planets) [02-Nov-24 04:24 PM] tanda#0000 well. That rather defeats the point of MHL [03-Nov-24 06:31 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 There's KW-020d (non-fertile ag) in the same system as Milliways (food) both 1 jump south of BEN [03-Nov-24 06:32 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Etherwind for water and Gibson or ALA for MHL [06-Nov-24 11:41 AM] ibumcuckets#0000 What the actual shit is going on with the carbon prices? My estimated profit in Prunplanner got more than halved. [06-Nov-24 11:43 AM] tanda#0000 Rampant market manipulation [06-Nov-24 12:34 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 That's because your Prunplanner instance runs off current FIO data imports, which are pulled from player snapshots off the APEX markets. Some would say that there is great value and peace of mind, to be had in maintaining your own production flows and price metrics (or even rules of thumb). Others simply don't care because they're running insulated businesses which don't really deal with the market prices, unless they're selling goodies. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1303789584957575218/Screenshot_from_2024-11-06_12-31-26.png?ex=6815102c&is=6813beac&hm=2659135d5972beb9bb1515a06d977329c81e8e8e23e15f31de5b8c10c08f433a& [06-Nov-24 12:36 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 And that doesn't look like market manipulation, more like a shortage (look at the volumes traded recently). [06-Nov-24 12:38 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 But I could be wrong. I'm of the opinion that C stands for cocaine, and anyone doing smelting simply wants more of it, all the time, from their local dealer (the CX). {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† ๐Ÿ’ฏ [06-Nov-24 12:39 PM] jcheung#0000 not, it's manipulation [06-Nov-24 12:39 PM] jcheung#0000 they bought out everything under 2k, relisted at 2k [06-Nov-24 12:39 PM] jcheung#0000 i personally listed 3k after initial buy and it was bought up and relisted instantly [06-Nov-24 12:40 PM] jcheung#0000 i saw another 4-5k listed alongside mine [06-Nov-24 12:44 PM] archielvahr#0000 https://discord.com/channels/350171287785701388/350171288267915277/1303369691418595388 [06-Nov-24 12:44 PM] archielvahr#0000 Yeah he's just messin' around [06-Nov-24 12:47 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Who is it? [06-Nov-24 12:49 PM] marat_sh#0000 random person who is just bored and want to mess around with people for their own amusement [06-Nov-24 12:50 PM] marat_sh#0000 Some people just want to see world burn [06-Nov-24 12:50 PM] marat_sh#0000 "Grass is too green" I guess [06-Nov-24 12:51 PM] tanda#0000 Talking about Iodine production suddenly existing: somehow I remain the top of the lead for MHL production, so where is that Iodine going [06-Nov-24 12:52 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Well, I do too... But not in that I want to - it's just that natural cycles of life usually have those dim moments of decay and whatnot, and I leik them. Natural occurrences keep the ecosystem healthy... In this case, it's just encourage more C production than such person can eat up daily. [06-Nov-24 12:56 PM] tanda#0000 Rakkzi already saw to that with his bump two weeks ago, a lot of stocks were used to cushion that. A lot of stocks that haven't been replenished [06-Nov-24 12:56 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 It's a red-herring... Yeah sure, nice content, and something that people will react to.... But most of those names on that list, even me, produce I, for MHL production for eventual use (I only do HYF farming on what? 6 worlds now... yeah).... [06-Nov-24 01:15 PM] jcheung#0000 it's not them [06-Nov-24 01:15 PM] jcheung#0000 it's CO CRBM [06-Nov-24 01:20 PM] archielvahr#0000 ohhh Syqel, they did the DW thing a while ago, right? [06-Nov-24 01:20 PM] archielvahr#0000 like 6 months before wyper got more famous for doing the same thing? [06-Nov-24 01:21 PM] archielvahr#0000 Hm maybe it was someone else [06-Nov-24 01:22 PM] archielvahr#0000 I guess I had big buys from both of t hem, but yeah, mostly CRBM [06-Nov-24 01:22 PM] archielvahr#0000 http://kortham.net/temp/firefox_jdZLzoF4jx.png {Embed} http://kortham.net/temp/firefox_jdZLzoF4jx.png https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/G9BhgrXfqdlEaQ1_T5_z1qh3-2-EO43fy4j4zLBzN4U/http/kortham.net/temp/firefox_jdZLzoF4jx.png [06-Nov-24 01:27 PM] jcheung#0000 CRBM is the one relisting [06-Nov-24 01:27 PM] jcheung#0000 The snapshot you linked to was two weeks ago [06-Nov-24 01:30 PM] jcheung#0000 Even what you just posted was two weeks ago [06-Nov-24 01:31 PM] jcheung#0000 Moke had a bigger impact than rak [06-Nov-24 01:51 PM] archielvahr#0000 Yeah I thought they had kept up with it over those two weeks but I guess not [06-Nov-24 01:51 PM] archielvahr#0000 Good checking! [07-Nov-24 03:05 AM] pxlfox.#0000 As far as Iโ€™m concerned, this shows, that our C production isnโ€™t sufficient enough - or our C stocks. One of both [07-Nov-24 03:06 AM] pxlfox.#0000 With a high density of smelting bases and the #1 producer of AL, C might be the target of market manipulation in the future [07-Nov-24 03:10 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I will dedicate at least two more permits to C production, which should eventually bring roughly 300 C / per day extra to ANT [07-Nov-24 03:10 AM] pxlfox.#0000 It will take me a few months, tho โ€ฆ so itโ€™s not a solution for the current shortage [07-Nov-24 03:15 AM] jcheung#0000 it's just rough that triple burn is the most profitable by volume [07-Nov-24 03:22 AM] jcheung#0000 it would be so much more efficient to have 4 paired bases (800 c/d) on single burn than a full bore triple burn (8 bases) [600c/d] [07-Nov-24 03:23 AM] jcheung#0000 at least with harmonia [07-Nov-24 03:23 AM] jcheung#0000 (someone check my numbers please) [07-Nov-24 03:35 AM] jcheung#0000 aha. i see, HYF makes a big difference [07-Nov-24 03:35 AM] jcheung#0000 hmmm [07-Nov-24 03:35 AM] jcheung#0000 maybe i should make this into a spreadsheet [07-Nov-24 04:25 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I have 280 C on a ship to ANT, if anybody wants some urgently [07-Nov-24 04:29 AM] jcheung#0000 make your plans, but i'm going to look at a project that i'm part of and see if they're taking more people. not sure if they are. if yes, then you'll be online a good deal faster than months (couple weeks maybe) [07-Nov-24 04:31 AM] pxlfox.#0000 sounds good. As faster we get the C market stabilized the better [07-Nov-24 04:44 AM] jcheung#0000 ...who else here makes small scale C? [07-Nov-24 04:45 AM] jcheung#0000 (by small scale i mean like 2 bases) [07-Nov-24 04:46 AM] jcheung#0000 blerg. unfortunately with only 2 permits to apply i personally don't see an easy way to slot you in-maybe the managers of this project see a way though [07-Nov-24 04:47 AM] jcheung#0000 i think if 5 permits could be found, could probably come to a decent compromise though [07-Nov-24 04:54 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Not sure, if I want to decidate that much just to C atm [07-Nov-24 04:54 AM] jcheung#0000 oh, it can't all come from you [07-Nov-24 04:54 AM] jcheung#0000 has to be at least two different people [07-Nov-24 04:55 AM] jcheung#0000 and if a second person steps up and they're still taking people, i might just go ahead and put one or two more permits in myself [07-Nov-24 04:56 AM] jcheung#0000 i really really don't want to though, because it'll set back a bunch of my plans by months ๐Ÿ˜› [07-Nov-24 04:56 AM] jcheung#0000 but i will, if another person steps up [07-Nov-24 04:57 AM] pxlfox.#0000 I think, if you want other people to be interested, you have to explain, what this "project" is ๐Ÿ˜… {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [07-Nov-24 05:00 AM] jcheung#0000 makes C [07-Nov-24 05:00 AM] jcheung#0000 the most efficient C production method uses triple burn, with HYFs supplying MAI and HCP and FRMs supplying GRN [07-Nov-24 05:01 AM] jcheung#0000 this is significantly more permits than one reasonable person would be willing to place [07-Nov-24 05:02 AM] jcheung#0000 also with multiple people you can double up FRMs and HYFs on the same planet, reducing the logistical complexity [07-Nov-24 05:03 AM] pxlfox.#0000 How are the materials interchanged? Do they have fixed rates? [07-Nov-24 05:03 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Let's say I have a FRM and produce GRN, do I just provide the materials? How am I compensated? [07-Nov-24 05:10 AM] jcheung#0000 you get H2O for free you supply consumables provide GRN for free each week (sometimes two) you get a portion of the C the entire project makes, proportional to your base's contributions [07-Nov-24 05:10 AM] jcheung#0000 (workforce consumables are taken into account) [07-Nov-24 05:25 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Thinking about it, I would love an "Antares Carbon Initiative", which dedicates to provide a stable C market and a "emergency supply" in case somebody wants to bomb our market, again [07-Nov-24 05:30 AM] jcheung#0000 well [07-Nov-24 05:30 AM] jcheung#0000 it's based in ANT, makes carbon [07-Nov-24 05:31 AM] jcheung#0000 what do your current plans look like for C? [07-Nov-24 05:37 AM] pxlfox.#0000 two input with a second FRM planet [07-Nov-24 05:38 AM] pxlfox.#0000 and a dedicated INC base [07-Nov-24 05:40 AM] laaxus#0000 no need for emergency supply, might as well put in on the market [07-Nov-24 05:42 AM] jcheung#0000 oh, so 3 permit? ๐Ÿค” [07-Nov-24 05:43 AM] jcheung#0000 what's the twp FRM planets you were thinking of [07-Nov-24 05:44 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Not sure, I'm currently producing GRN on Harmonia [07-Nov-24 05:44 AM] pxlfox.#0000 My reasoning is to avoide the CX when somebody tries to buy out all the supply [07-Nov-24 05:44 AM] jcheung#0000 hmmmm.... [07-Nov-24 05:45 AM] jcheung#0000 demeter? ๐Ÿค” [07-Nov-24 05:45 AM] jcheung#0000 or maybe outside of ANT space? [07-Nov-24 05:47 AM] pxlfox.#0000 And to have some stock to sell internally and be able to bridge price spikes [07-Nov-24 05:47 AM] pxlfox.#0000 probably - don't want to ship it too far [07-Nov-24 06:04 AM] realharvey#0000 I believe internal C demand might be to high [07-Nov-24 06:05 AM] realharvey#0000 My current bases eat up 800C a day [07-Nov-24 06:12 AM] pxlfox.#0000 We would just need enough people producing C โ€ฆ [07-Nov-24 06:12 AM] jcheung#0000 Sheesh [07-Nov-24 06:12 AM] jcheung#0000 That's a lot of c [07-Nov-24 06:13 AM] jcheung#0000 Roughly 3 FRM 3 HYF 2 INC 1.5 RIG 1 CHP makes around 1200/d [07-Nov-24 06:14 AM] jcheung#0000 So you eat like [07-Nov-24 06:14 AM] jcheung#0000 8 bases worth of carbon [07-Nov-24 06:14 AM] realharvey#0000 https://tenor.com/view/cookies-gif-11341368259252365706 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/cookies-gif-11341368259252365706 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/NcsC9O3UZZf0NH44xpVADrzi9Pv6mAxMwqTSgE2N6WE/https/media.tenor.com/nWSiV7egqYoAAAAe/cookies.png [07-Nov-24 06:14 AM] realharvey#0000 I am currently planning a restructure of my Company. It's going down to like 600 C [07-Nov-24 06:15 AM] realharvey#0000 but I thats still a lot of C [07-Nov-24 08:21 PM] smittyventures#0000 Hello everyone. [07-Nov-24 08:25 PM] tanda#0000 Greetings! Welcome to ADI! [07-Nov-24 08:27 PM] smittyventures#0000 Thank you. do ya'll recommend a good API for PU? [07-Nov-24 08:31 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Uh FIO? [07-Nov-24 08:32 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Then use that with PMMG [07-Nov-24 08:41 PM] smittyventures#0000 What is the command for the local market [07-Nov-24 08:41 PM] tanda#0000 LM ANT for the CX or LM ZV-759c for Deimos [07-Nov-24 08:48 PM] smittyventures#0000 Lot of shipments need to be made [07-Nov-24 08:49 PM] smittyventures#0000 Tempted to do 2. I am sure I can sell my MCG and BDE local [07-Nov-24 08:49 PM] jcheung#0000 Look at them carefully if you plan to take them [07-Nov-24 08:50 PM] jcheung#0000 A lot of shipping takes your whole starting cargo bay and pays pennies, so look carefully at the cost in fuel, and apply cost to get back to starting location [07-Nov-24 08:51 PM] smittyventures#0000 I need to buy more PE, SIO, LST, and FE so going full and coming back with what I need would be smart. [07-Nov-24 08:51 PM] jcheung#0000 Wacha need FE for? [07-Nov-24 08:52 PM] jcheung#0000 There's a fair few people that refine FE on deimos, so you might be able to buy local too [07-Nov-24 08:53 PM] jcheung#0000 BMPs are less than ideal on deimos [07-Nov-24 08:53 PM] smittyventures#0000 FE and LST make BBH [07-Nov-24 08:54 PM] jcheung#0000 Mmmm... okay, but just want to make sure you know FE is heavy as hell and sucks to move [07-Nov-24 08:54 PM] smittyventures#0000 Awesome! [07-Nov-24 08:55 PM] jcheung#0000 FE is certainly .ore popular over at vulcan but I've seen some FE appear here and there [07-Nov-24 08:57 PM] smittyventures#0000 Well I am off to put the kiddoes to bed. I will check on everything in the morning. [07-Nov-24 08:57 PM] smittyventures#0000 Thank you all for your help. I will be on tomorrow. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [07-Nov-24 09:11 PM] tanda#0000 if you started on Deimos, you'll probably want to use AL for BBH and BSE instead [07-Nov-24 09:12 PM] tanda#0000 Deimos is AL smelting HQ. It does require PP2's rather than PP1's, though [07-Nov-24 09:12 PM] marat_sh#0000 you don't start with PP2s right? [07-Nov-24 09:13 PM] tanda#0000 I started metallurgist, so I don't know [07-Nov-24 09:13 PM] marat_sh#0000 since it's tier 2 building I assume [07-Nov-24 09:17 PM] jcheung#0000 No [07-Nov-24 09:17 PM] jcheung#0000 Can check later [08-Nov-24 01:47 AM] finestone#0000 @.urpalhal if you need a TIO operation you could come join us out on AU605 c ๐Ÿ˜„ [08-Nov-24 01:50 AM] .urpalhal#0000 I need ZIR more than I need TIO ๐Ÿ˜ญ [08-Nov-24 07:47 AM] finestone#0000 There is ZIR on KI-401b which is my next planned base {Reactions} link_cool [08-Nov-24 06:16 PM] taiyibureau#0000 Any guesses on when the DW price will hit the MM? [08-Nov-24 06:17 PM] taiyibureau#0000 That's going to be the first without manipulations after the MM prices got adjusted way back when [08-Nov-24 08:15 PM] smittyventures#0000 Good evening everyone! [08-Nov-24 08:15 PM] marat_sh#0000 Hello! [08-Nov-24 08:16 PM] marat_sh#0000 How is your empire going [08-Nov-24 08:17 PM] tanda#0000 greetings! [08-Nov-24 08:23 PM] smittyventures#0000 Well that is what I came on to talk about. I have made stuff and I am about to ship it. [08-Nov-24 08:23 PM] jcheung#0000 https://tenor.com/42wF.gif {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/maudrie-ship-row-rowing-boat-gif-13555339 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/V9cYjdJtz5wQZt2rAx3L4Z1eb4sh9AtjsagQXse6Pvc/https/media.tenor.com/1tgF4Y-g-_QAAAAe/maudrie-ship.png [08-Nov-24 08:24 PM] smittyventures#0000 50 MCG, 4 BBH, and 6 BSE [08-Nov-24 08:24 PM] smittyventures#0000 100 MCG and 5 BDE on the way. [08-Nov-24 08:24 PM] smittyventures#0000 then I plan to ship it. [08-Nov-24 09:49 PM] marat_sh#0000 Do you have a plan for expansion? (prunplanner) [08-Nov-24 11:34 PM] smittyventures#0000 Not at this time, but I will be looking into over the weekend. I am waiting for this production run to finish so I can take as much over as I can. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [11-Nov-24 09:27 PM] smittyventures#0000 Is it worth it if I am on Deimos to setup a RIG and food processor if I am a constructor. I know it is one less thing for me to have to buy and I can sell my access. [11-Nov-24 09:27 PM] smittyventures#0000 I am already making my own OVE and will soon be selling my access. [11-Nov-24 09:28 PM] smittyventures#0000 Ha ha ACCESS insted of EXCESS!!! It is one of those days. [11-Nov-24 09:29 PM] .urpalhal#0000 no not really [11-Nov-24 09:29 PM] .urpalhal#0000 What do you have on Deimos again? [11-Nov-24 09:29 PM] smittyventures#0000 H20, ALO, and O [11-Nov-24 09:30 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿค” [11-Nov-24 09:30 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I would just wait till you have another planet [11-Nov-24 09:30 PM] smittyventures#0000 ok [11-Nov-24 09:34 PM] smittyventures#0000 Thank you HAL98 [11-Nov-24 09:34 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿซก [11-Nov-24 09:35 PM] .urpalhal#0000 So itโ€™s just RIG, COL and EXT there? Or do you have BMPs too? [11-Nov-24 09:38 PM] smittyventures#0000 I do not have any of those 3 setup yet. [11-Nov-24 09:38 PM] smittyventures#0000 But yes [11-Nov-24 09:38 PM] smittyventures#0000 What are BMPs? [11-Nov-24 09:38 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Manufacing things [11-Nov-24 09:38 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Basic Manufacturing Plant [11-Nov-24 09:38 PM] .urpalhal#0000 How to make OVE [11-Nov-24 09:39 PM] smittyventures#0000 HA HA YES! [11-Nov-24 09:39 PM] smittyventures#0000 It has been a long day [11-Nov-24 09:39 PM] smittyventures#0000 Yes I have 1 BMP making OVE and one PP1 making BSE [11-Nov-24 09:39 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh [11-Nov-24 09:40 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Itโ€™s usually best to have one or maybe two areas of expertise [11-Nov-24 09:40 PM] .urpalhal#0000 PP1 is construction [11-Nov-24 09:40 PM] .urpalhal#0000 BMP is manufacturing [11-Nov-24 09:40 PM] .urpalhal#0000 EXT, COL, RIG are resource extraction [11-Nov-24 09:41 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Also it is usually best to match the CoGC of the planet (center of global commerce or something). There will be a program run there that boosts an industry planet wide [11-Nov-24 09:42 PM] smittyventures#0000 Yeah I am planning to do EXT next [11-Nov-24 09:43 PM] .urpalhal#0000 So that would be 3 industries in one planet [11-Nov-24 09:44 PM] .urpalhal#0000 For efficiency that doesnโ€™t make the most sense [11-Nov-24 09:44 PM] smittyventures#0000 I am getting what you are saying [11-Nov-24 09:44 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Since you can only have 6 experts [11-Nov-24 09:44 PM] .urpalhal#0000 And none of those industries match the CoGC program [11-Nov-24 09:45 PM] smittyventures#0000 SO I chose a bad planet for Cronstruction? [11-Nov-24 09:45 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Not bad per say [11-Nov-24 09:45 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Just not the most optimal [11-Nov-24 09:46 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Like at the end of the day itโ€™s a game [11-Nov-24 09:46 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Nothing is bad [11-Nov-24 09:46 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Play how you want [11-Nov-24 09:46 PM] smittyventures#0000 I understand that. [11-Nov-24 09:47 PM] .urpalhal#0000 So for example Nike has a CoGC doing construction [11-Nov-24 09:47 PM] .urpalhal#0000 And Hephaestus is doing manufacturing [11-Nov-24 09:47 PM] smittyventures#0000 What would be a way to turn this around. [11-Nov-24 09:47 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Have you gotten a grant yet? [11-Nov-24 09:47 PM] smittyventures#0000 No [11-Nov-24 09:47 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Probably that would be the easiest [11-Nov-24 09:48 PM] smittyventures#0000 And I would not feel guilty COOLiq and doing this over. LOL [11-Nov-24 09:48 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Or do a COLIQ or company liquidation and start over [11-Nov-24 09:48 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Or both [11-Nov-24 09:48 PM] smittyventures#0000 I know it is prolly against the rules but HEY ANYONE NEED FREE STUFF LOL [11-Nov-24 09:48 PM] smittyventures#0000 kidding [11-Nov-24 09:49 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Itโ€™s ambiguous from the ToS [11-Nov-24 09:49 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Youโ€™ll get a different answer depending on who you ask [11-Nov-24 09:49 PM] smittyventures#0000 I was kidding. I would only do that if someone had invested in my company [11-Nov-24 09:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ [11-Nov-24 09:50 PM] smittyventures#0000 See HAL98 if you had invested you could have gotten free stuff LOL [11-Nov-24 09:50 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿค“ [11-Nov-24 09:51 PM] .urpalhal#0000 So before you jump your current ship and start over I would look at the industries you are interested in and make a plan [11-Nov-24 09:51 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Deimos is a good place long term but might not be your immediate cup of tea [11-Nov-24 09:52 PM] smittyventures#0000 I already am. But I am doing some research before I do it. [11-Nov-24 09:52 PM] .urpalhal#0000 โ€œFailingโ€ is great research [11-Nov-24 09:53 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Trust me [11-Nov-24 09:53 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿค“ [11-Nov-24 09:53 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I coliqed [11-Nov-24 09:54 PM] smittyventures#0000 I am on COOLIQ 3 [11-Nov-24 09:54 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Wow ๐Ÿคฏ [11-Nov-24 09:54 PM] smittyventures#0000 But my last one was years ago [11-Nov-24 09:55 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Oh lol [11-Nov-24 09:55 PM] smittyventures#0000 I have not played since 2022 [11-Nov-24 09:55 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Welcome back [11-Nov-24 09:55 PM] smittyventures#0000 My first was 1 day in and I lost my company trying to do shipments [11-Nov-24 09:56 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Gotcha [11-Nov-24 09:56 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Shipping is hard [11-Nov-24 09:56 PM] smittyventures#0000 Second one lasted about 2 months. [11-Nov-24 09:57 PM] smittyventures#0000 It was fun, but I was balancing that with running a real business and could not balance the two and real life was more important [11-Nov-24 09:57 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Real life ftw [11-Nov-24 09:58 PM] smittyventures#0000 Wife and kids more important. Wife is a gamer too [11-Nov-24 09:58 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿ’ฏ [11-Nov-24 09:59 PM] smittyventures#0000 So lets get this right this time. What is DIEMOS good for? [11-Nov-24 09:59 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Metallurgy [11-Nov-24 10:00 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Making metals, glass and such [11-Nov-24 10:00 PM] smittyventures#0000 Hence ALO [11-Nov-24 10:00 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah more or less [11-Nov-24 10:01 PM] .urpalhal#0000 So like having a bunch of SME with some EXT/COL at the beginning isnโ€™t crazy [11-Nov-24 10:01 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Or rather far from the norm [11-Nov-24 10:01 PM] .urpalhal#0000 The SME will be way more profitable, but the EXT and COL greatly reduce the shipping strain with the rinky dinky starting ships [11-Nov-24 10:03 PM] smittyventures#0000 So I collect O and ALO, SME what I can and sell the rest of what I can't? [11-Nov-24 10:03 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Basically [11-Nov-24 10:04 PM] .urpalhal#0000 But you could also just do one or the other for COL and EXT [11-Nov-24 10:04 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I think you can do 17 SME with 3 COL and it basically balances [11-Nov-24 10:05 PM] evov#0000 Producing O and ALO on deimos, and selling it on planet isn't a bad option for newer players. One of the harder barriers for new players to overcome is the point where they need to buy a new ship. So it makes a lot of sense to start out with bases that have very low logistics needs. i.e. - extracting stuff on a planet that other people might buy from you on that planet. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [11-Nov-24 10:05 PM] evov#0000 As with everything though - it's a player driven economy.... so depends on price. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [11-Nov-24 10:06 PM] smittyventures#0000 Making deals with people is better than selling on LM [11-Nov-24 10:06 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ [11-Nov-24 10:06 PM] evov#0000 Depends on price. [11-Nov-24 10:07 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Like letโ€™s say the LM is popping off [11-Nov-24 10:07 PM] .urpalhal#0000 But your private deals are at a much lower price [11-Nov-24 10:07 PM] .urpalhal#0000 LM would be better [11-Nov-24 10:07 PM] .urpalhal#0000 But not like guaranteed [11-Nov-24 10:09 PM] smittyventures#0000 Alright looks like I have a plan for coming back [11-Nov-24 10:09 PM] smittyventures#0000 Who need ALO! [11-Nov-24 10:09 PM] smittyventures#0000 lol [11-Nov-24 10:09 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿคฃ [11-Nov-24 10:09 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Design some things in PrUn Planner? [11-Nov-24 10:09 PM] .urpalhal#0000 So that way itโ€™s informed vibes [11-Nov-24 10:12 PM] smittyventures#0000 Yes I am going to work on that before I start up again. {Reactions} partyhehe [11-Nov-24 10:12 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Great canโ€™t wait to see the plan [12-Nov-24 03:39 PM] archielvahr#0000 Moving the convo out of AGP- for @getonthetrain @laaxus and @rahzo_rsc : So I generally keep these going on WAI non-stop: [12-Nov-24 03:39 PM] archielvahr#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1306010550274363512/image.png?ex=681492db&is=6813415b&hm=a906df84a079d5953e95d7491111da4c24307ea0bbb4e820e3e757156b91a381& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘€ [12-Nov-24 03:40 PM] archielvahr#0000 So I'd also buy BAI/MLI, but preferably in matching quantities. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [12-Nov-24 03:41 PM] archielvahr#0000 Everything gets used somewhere, and they are all proportional priced according to their duration. It looks like allocater has a lot of LD bids in already. [12-Nov-24 03:42 PM] archielvahr#0000 As for CLRs, the TRN/SWF/CAPs sorta get used together, but I've been having SWF shortages and have been buying those on the CX [12-Nov-24 03:43 PM] archielvahr#0000 My CLRs were switched all to MTC for a while, for gateway purposes. I would not recommend anyone do that, but it used up a lot of my supply of other CLR products ๐Ÿ˜† [12-Nov-24 03:43 PM] archielvahr#0000 I think I have two gateways worth of MTC, so that won't happen again [12-Nov-24 03:44 PM] getonthetrain#0000 I'm happy MTC was given a use [12-Nov-24 03:44 PM] archielvahr#0000 Anyway, I'll give Razho first dibs on the SWF offer to help the new folks [12-Nov-24 03:44 PM] archielvahr#0000 Yeah definitely. I was also excited because I was sure they'd use HEX in the VF [12-Nov-24 03:44 PM] archielvahr#0000 but I guess not ๐Ÿ˜ญ [12-Nov-24 03:44 PM] archielvahr#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1306011820821053560/image.png?ex=6814940a&is=6813428a&hm=3b4761a495ed608cb17b4c41421b621b62ef525121de7623f249462c3fcdfec8& [12-Nov-24 03:44 PM] archielvahr#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1306011872843005962/image.png?ex=68149417&is=68134297&hm=e3b5ece71ccde7a8db86d2265975d41d7b5e7a6138ddbe66ca76132068c71746& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ญ [12-Nov-24 03:45 PM] archielvahr#0000 I think universe-wide hex production other than me is in the low hundreds. (including older than 180d) [12-Nov-24 04:46 PM] finestone#0000 I would be interested in this what prices would you buy at. Currently filling LD bids. [12-Nov-24 04:52 PM] finestone#0000 For current LD pricing at 9k competitive pricing would be BAI@12k and MLI@18k but i would happily do 11/17 once LD@9 is filled. [12-Nov-24 05:14 PM] archielvahr#0000 Yeah that sounds reasonable. I'm going to add some orders: LD @ 9k BAI @ 12k MLI @ 18k SAL / SA @ 6k (there's a ton of SAL @ 5.8k, so I'll buy some of that) CLF Products: CAP @ 300 SWF @ 200 TRN @ 355 [12-Nov-24 05:17 PM] archielvahr#0000 Went up to 210 on SWF {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ (2) [12-Nov-24 05:44 PM] finestone#0000 Awesome i have added MLI and BAI to my recurring que Thanks! {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [12-Nov-24 05:46 PM] archielvahr#0000 The electronics markets really aren't bad. I think they could support a new player or two. [12-Nov-24 05:50 PM] finestone#0000 While on the topic I was going to start producing SOL/SP was there anything else in the ECA that has demand? [12-Nov-24 06:09 PM] archielvahr#0000 CBL is a decent MM, but it requires a fairly specific chain set up [12-Nov-24 06:14 PM] finestone#0000 understood thanks [13-Nov-24 03:03 AM] evov#0000 Tying into the Software Development items - I have 30 SD's in the ant region. If the price is right, I'd gladly buy those products rather than make them myself. My experience has been that the CX market has no hope of suppling my needs, but I'll occasionally go shopping if I've got spare cash sitting around. I'd be happy to buy at the prices Archiel posted - approx -> {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1306182608945680384/image.png?ex=68148a59&is=681338d9&hm=b66718d11d93315161037a3eead16d322dccce24fb1747b10ebe11e7aa40aa59& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ (2) [13-Nov-24 05:15 AM] jcheung#0000 I can't help but wonder if these should go in #internal-requests for easier searching in the future [13-Nov-24 09:54 PM] maauuu______#0000 hello ^_^ [13-Nov-24 09:54 PM] maauuu______#0000 How do you know if a planet has good soil fertility? [13-Nov-24 09:54 PM] maauuu______#0000 im looking around at planets and deimos is orange [13-Nov-24 09:54 PM] maauuu______#0000 is that good? [13-Nov-24 09:55 PM] tanda#0000 It's semi visible on the PLI screen, but for best results look it up on prun planner [13-Nov-24 09:56 PM] tanda#0000 All the bars are orange though [13-Nov-24 09:57 PM] maauuu______#0000 hmm [13-Nov-24 09:57 PM] maauuu______#0000 Its kinda to the left of the middle bar [13-Nov-24 09:57 PM] maauuu______#0000 If that makes sense @_@ [13-Nov-24 09:57 PM] jcheung#0000 I use prunplanner [13-Nov-24 09:57 PM] jcheung#0000 Way more readable [13-Nov-24 09:58 PM] jcheung#0000 Gives fertility as a % [13-Nov-24 10:00 PM] maauuu______#0000 Ohhh [13-Nov-24 10:00 PM] maauuu______#0000 Looked it up now [13-Nov-24 10:01 PM] maauuu______#0000 thanksss ^_^ [14-Nov-24 12:25 AM] jvaler#0000 yapt > prunplanner for planet search imo [14-Nov-24 12:26 AM] jvaler#0000 unless you want CoGC readings, yapt doesn't do that... [14-Nov-24 05:55 AM] jcheung#0000 that's one of the things that i kinda look at ๐Ÿ˜› [15-Nov-24 10:10 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Just parse for targets on yapt... And then check in-game or on FIO. [15-Nov-24 10:10 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 That's my workflow. [15-Nov-24 10:11 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 I also ask people, since newer COGCs on new planet projects, are kinda masked from the general pop, until they get like more established. [15-Nov-24 01:17 PM] finestone#0000 or just use taiya's map ๐Ÿค” [15-Nov-24 01:22 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Taiya's map is actually good, for a specific purpose... Mapping our where your ships are going too, and finding synergies with shipping.... [15-Nov-24 01:22 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 The other two aren't good for that. [15-Nov-24 01:24 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 It's a design thing... YAPT is good for aggregate searches via resource densities and basic PPS (planetary project infracture pre-existing).. FIO/PP are good for COGC searches, with resource densities, but it's a little clunky imo... If you've got the the basic data from either, you can search up how your ships are going geographically, and you can customize your strategy from there. [15-Nov-24 01:24 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 whats YAPT? can I get a link? [15-Nov-24 01:24 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 ye [15-Nov-24 01:25 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 https://aeryen23.github.io/yapt/#/planetsearch [15-Nov-24 01:25 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 thank you [15-Nov-24 01:25 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 wow this is nice [15-Nov-24 01:26 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 yeah, it's really fast... then again my strategy is just to shoot for nearest liquid H2O deposits, extract, make agri stuff, and turn into RAT/DW/OVE. [15-Nov-24 01:26 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 If you're mixed all around, you might have a harder time figuring out what you want to do. [15-Nov-24 01:34 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 lol [15-Nov-24 01:34 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 I am even simpler. Just make fuel [15-Nov-24 01:35 PM] tanda#0000 I'm getting more focused these days, it's becoming just: Make MHL and make INS [15-Nov-24 02:19 PM] sidepipe#0000 I only make RATs, DW, FIM, DDT, H2O, MHP, BWS, and also CL, FLX, and small amounts of INS, bfabs, and lfabs [15-Nov-24 02:19 PM] sidepipe#0000 I hate this every time I resupply my bases [15-Nov-24 02:20 PM] marat_sh#0000 I mean specialization isn't a bad thing. As long as it makes you money [15-Nov-24 02:23 PM] sidepipe#0000 Agree - I actually want to narrow down my offerings a bunch, just to reduce the mental load of maintaining it all [15-Nov-24 02:45 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I just make PE and OFF and it's great. 4 total inputs, easy shipping. Decent money. [15-Nov-24 02:45 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 How much BWS for sale?... [15-Nov-24 02:47 PM] sidepipe#0000 Have 49 at ANT right now with 44 more arriving in a few days ๐Ÿ™‚ [15-Nov-24 02:48 PM] sidepipe#0000 And depending on your needs, Iโ€™d love to trade some for PE ๐Ÿ˜„ [15-Nov-24 02:48 PM] laaxus#0000 didn't you stopped to play ? Or was it someone else ? [15-Nov-24 03:26 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I did mostly. I dropped from 14 bases to just one and dropped to basic license. I'm not doing much these days other than PE, OFF, and hanging out on discord [15-Nov-24 03:26 PM] laaxus#0000 It's not much but it's honest work {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [15-Nov-24 03:30 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 wait... I uh... am dumb. Turns out it's BMF that I need ๐Ÿ˜… I'm just a simple BMP worker. [15-Nov-24 03:30 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I've still got plenty of PE for sale though [15-Nov-24 04:06 PM] sidepipe#0000 ah, gotcha - I don't make those (yet), but if I ever do I'll let you know ๐Ÿ˜„ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’š [15-Nov-24 04:16 PM] tanda#0000 Once I get another not-spoken-for load of INS, I'm coming for that PE again {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’š [15-Nov-24 04:19 PM] sidepipe#0000 everyone here is hopelessly addicted to PE ๐Ÿ˜„ [15-Nov-24 04:33 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 https://tenor.com/view/emperor-star-wars-good-goooooood-evil-gif-12447951 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/emperor-star-wars-good-goooooood-evil-gif-12447951 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/OiHD5CmsMtB7XDaICS3lciXgp1gO36JbgWTX4fnfAFs/https/media.tenor.com/GIlh6TSzmqEAAAAe/emperor-star-wars.png [15-Nov-24 04:34 PM] cptcoleslaw#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1307111451332317234/image.png?ex=68149fa6&is=68134e26&hm=b9a8d546c1da299caefd8bc8d7999bd8bc918af815ca82a8534f177af5481848& [16-Nov-24 05:01 AM] jcheung#0000 ๐ŸŽ‰ [16-Nov-24 06:56 PM] smittyventures#0000 Hello everyone! [16-Nov-24 06:57 PM] smittyventures#0000 I just got the 3 jobs that are offered from the Antares Logistics Officer. Not sure what I am supposed to do for 2 of them. [16-Nov-24 07:05 PM] smittyventures#0000 How do I provision the stuff [16-Nov-24 07:06 PM] sidepipe#0000 You can think of provisioning something as setting it aside for the logistics officer / whoever you made the contract with [16-Nov-24 07:07 PM] sidepipe#0000 And all you need to do is have the materials it asks for at the location it mentions, and click โ€˜fulfillโ€™ on the contract ๐Ÿ™‚ [16-Nov-24 07:08 PM] sidepipe#0000 I think it needs to be in a base or warehouse though, I donโ€™t think you can provision from a ship [16-Nov-24 07:10 PM] sidepipe#0000 If you share a screenshot of the contract, I can be more specific than that. But hopefully that helps ๐Ÿ˜„ [16-Nov-24 07:16 PM] smittyventures#0000 So I have to make it or provide it? [16-Nov-24 07:16 PM] smittyventures#0000 That is what I was wondering. [16-Nov-24 07:17 PM] .urpalhal#0000 yes [16-Nov-24 07:17 PM] tanda#0000 if it's weird enough, you can buy it and it will work. Early on, though, those contracts are based on what your empire makes [16-Nov-24 07:17 PM] .urpalhal#0000 you need to get it there somehow [16-Nov-24 07:17 PM] .urpalhal#0000 buy it/make it/appear it [16-Nov-24 07:17 PM] smittyventures#0000 Yeah, I will get it later. [16-Nov-24 07:18 PM] smittyventures#0000 In the middle of changing what my empire does {Reactions} ๐Ÿซก [16-Nov-24 07:18 PM] smittyventures#0000 I am not the most effcient person [16-Nov-24 07:19 PM] smittyventures#0000 I got an extractor extracting ALO and I am making OVE till I make enough to build a smelter [16-Nov-24 07:19 PM] sidepipe#0000 what would you have to make / provide for these? just curious ๐Ÿ™‚ [16-Nov-24 07:20 PM] smittyventures#0000 So the Logistics Officer will have to wait [16-Nov-24 07:21 PM] smittyventures#0000 3 BSE and 44 RAT for one, 44 MCG and do survey, and the last one is do a survey [16-Nov-24 07:22 PM] sidepipe#0000 I'll give you the BSE and RAT for free if you send the contracts ๐Ÿ˜„ [16-Nov-24 07:22 PM] smittyventures#0000 REALLY? [16-Nov-24 07:22 PM] sidepipe#0000 and if it's worth the trouble to you to ship them, of course [16-Nov-24 07:23 PM] sidepipe#0000 sure ๐Ÿ™‚ [16-Nov-24 07:23 PM] sidepipe#0000 if you feel like doing the contract, just send for the stuff at ANT! [16-Nov-24 07:26 PM] smittyventures#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1307517075211681953/Contract.png?ex=6814c7eb&is=6813766b&hm=7b26a811570cc56af324e149a1cdd383f7e2031654387760313ce929eedf1f83& [16-Nov-24 07:26 PM] smittyventures#0000 There you go [16-Nov-24 07:26 PM] sidepipe#0000 oh - I mean send me contracts for the RAT and BSE you need ๐Ÿ˜„ [16-Nov-24 07:26 PM] smittyventures#0000 AH ok [16-Nov-24 07:28 PM] smittyventures#0000 How do I send you a contract? I am new. [16-Nov-24 07:28 PM] smittyventures#0000 Great time to learn [16-Nov-24 07:29 PM] sidepipe#0000 you can go to the bottom left, where you see 'NEW BFR', then enter CONTD in the window it opens [16-Nov-24 07:30 PM] sidepipe#0000 that will give you a window like this, where you can save a bunch of pre-made contracts to re-use later {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1307518160718532648/image.png?ex=6814c8ee&is=6813776e&hm=94ef23d3be8c166211c312d56544406a012c8bb53e157926a7e5c6d713c16759& [16-Nov-24 07:31 PM] sidepipe#0000 create a new one, 'VIEW' it and you'll get this window to edit a contract draft: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1307518353602248765/image.png?ex=6814c91c&is=6813779c&hm=d0167a875069be084fc9ebcd6bbb888bfeb0a8cd3cf8b9f12d46addd98d780bc& [16-Nov-24 07:32 PM] sidepipe#0000 since you want to buy things from me, use the 'Buy commodity' template and enter all the stuff there. just put 1 AIC for the price per unit, and make sure the location is ANT [16-Nov-24 07:33 PM] smittyventures#0000 I will need to do 2 for the 2 different comodities [16-Nov-24 07:33 PM] smittyventures#0000 right? [16-Nov-24 07:33 PM] sidepipe#0000 yeah, unfortunately [16-Nov-24 07:34 PM] smittyventures#0000 No problem [16-Nov-24 07:35 PM] smittyventures#0000 Are you on Deimos? [16-Nov-24 07:40 PM] sidepipe#0000 no, sadly - you'll have to pick the things up from Antares Station [16-Nov-24 07:41 PM] smittyventures#0000 No problem. That is even better cause I have 2 ships there. [16-Nov-24 07:42 PM] smittyventures#0000 Plus I could not do it cause I am only Basic [16-Nov-24 07:42 PM] smittyventures#0000 Ha ha I'm Basic [16-Nov-24 07:42 PM] sidepipe#0000 ah, my bad, I didn't realize you were on basic ๐Ÿ˜„ [16-Nov-24 07:43 PM] sidepipe#0000 I'll send you the stuff this time then, since we made it this far ๐Ÿ™‚ [16-Nov-24 07:43 PM] smittyventures#0000 Now I feel old cause That was the code I learned in 1st grade, BASIC [16-Nov-24 07:43 PM] tanda#0000 hey me too! [16-Nov-24 07:43 PM] tanda#0000 taught it to myself out of one of my Dad's old programming books [16-Nov-24 07:43 PM] smittyventures#0000 42 here [16-Nov-24 07:43 PM] tanda#0000 37! [16-Nov-24 07:44 PM] smittyventures#0000 EH same thing trust me [16-Nov-24 07:44 PM] smittyventures#0000 Just a heads up 40's are awesome! [16-Nov-24 07:44 PM] sidepipe#0000 13763753091226345046315979581580902400000000 ?!? [16-Nov-24 07:44 PM] tanda#0000 if you say so, lol [16-Nov-24 07:44 PM] tanda#0000 oh god, don't factorial my exclamations! [16-Nov-24 07:46 PM] tanda#0000 coincidentally that would be older than the age of the universe [16-Nov-24 07:47 PM] smittyventures#0000 @sidepipe I will not forget this and once I get my stuff reorganized, you will be paid back with interest. [16-Nov-24 07:47 PM] sidepipe#0000 no need to pay me back! view it as a small welcome gift ๐Ÿ™‚ [16-Nov-24 07:48 PM] smittyventures#0000 I appreciate it. [16-Nov-24 07:49 PM] smittyventures#0000 I came to this planet to do construction. I am switching to mining and smelting [16-Nov-24 07:50 PM] tanda#0000 both are good ideas. I recommend Nike next door for construction once you're ready to expand [16-Nov-24 07:50 PM] smittyventures#0000 Yeah that is my plan [16-Nov-24 07:52 PM] smittyventures#0000 I am also IRL working on an LLM that will assist me in building my Prosperous Universe Empire! [16-Nov-24 07:53 PM] tanda#0000 Interesting, I love games like this because the complexity allows you to experiment with tool creation [16-Nov-24 07:54 PM] smittyventures#0000 It will be a stand alone LLM on my homelab [16-Nov-24 07:55 PM] tanda#0000 I was actually using Claude to help me with some excel formulas for a shipping helper [16-Nov-24 07:55 PM] tanda#0000 definitely pointed out some solutions that I would not have been able to find myself otherwise [16-Nov-24 07:56 PM] smittyventures#0000 I was using Co-Pilot for some stuff, but I need something with some memory [21-Nov-24 09:04 AM] tanda#0000 There's a lot of money in this ship {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1309172611045134417/Screenshot_20241121_070356_Chrome.jpg?ex=6814df01&is=68138d81&hm=cedd3d892aee4dc3c8365a43c067e638d2c2494839b4b7c2c88eae9525e0beb8& [21-Nov-24 09:07 AM] jcheung#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1309173253339611136/image0.gif?ex=6814df9a&is=68138e1a&hm=69fc82495dd055fb46b334f7750c464ae81f00b996d5bc21e419373bf3fcba11& [21-Nov-24 09:40 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Actual piracy in this game would be crazy ๐Ÿ˜‚ And scary [21-Nov-24 09:42 AM] laaxus#0000 and that'd be the moment I quit the game [21-Nov-24 10:06 AM] taiyibureau#0000 I could see an abstract way of piracy, where you'd need to carry some "weapon" consumables or else you have a percentage loss in cargo. Only applied outside of faction space [21-Nov-24 10:07 AM] razenpok#0000 So, just a new fuel type basically [21-Nov-24 10:08 AM] laaxus#0000 That's the prun equivalent of mojang adding a new useless block [21-Nov-24 10:08 AM] laaxus#0000 let's not [21-Nov-24 10:08 AM] laaxus#0000 it doesn't make the game deeper, just more complex without added value [21-Nov-24 10:09 AM] taiyibureau#0000 Just saying that is the only way I could see "piracy" added without 80% of the playerbase quitting [21-Nov-24 10:46 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 I once shipped like 200 ABH and a bunch of electronics from MOR and I think over half my wealth was on that ship ๐Ÿ˜… [21-Nov-24 10:58 AM] tanda#0000 Lol I bet! INS isn't so compact that I can pack it all in like that [21-Nov-24 11:56 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 In a game where are the 'conflict' is usually around CX competition and planet workforces, I could imagine 'combat' mechanics that involve bribing governments, influencing unions, tariffs, and other forms of indirect warfare [21-Nov-24 11:56 AM] cptcoleslaw#0000 Wonder how much a ship of PG is worth... [21-Nov-24 11:58 AM] jcheung#0000 A lot [21-Nov-24 11:58 AM] jcheung#0000 Ship full of IDC is probably going to break several banks [21-Nov-24 12:03 PM] jcheung#0000 40m? I think? [21-Nov-24 12:03 PM] jcheung#0000 At least at 40/u [21-Nov-24 12:03 PM] jcheung#0000 WCB or LCB [21-Nov-24 12:06 PM] tanda#0000 EPO is worse than PG [21-Nov-24 12:10 PM] marat_sh#0000 you can fit x20 more PG than EPO [21-Nov-24 12:14 PM] jcheung#0000 What's epo price again? [21-Nov-24 12:15 PM] jcheung#0000 If it's less than like 800 a unit pg trounces it for this comparison [21-Nov-24 12:15 PM] tanda#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1309220736698683516/Screenshot_20241121_101534_Chrome.jpg?ex=68150bd3&is=6813ba53&hm=986649503a8b885241d731adaa33d14ed79d309549757f6d65a45357374a3228& [21-Nov-24 12:16 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿคง [21-Nov-24 12:17 PM] tanda#0000 9mil per 2k/2k Pg is 39mil. Okay then, lol [21-Nov-24 12:20 PM] jcheung#0000 I suspect there might be some afabs that would give PG a run for its money [21-Nov-24 12:20 PM] jcheung#0000 On the other hand, i could probably use that full ship of PG in a "reasonable" timeframe [21-Nov-24 12:22 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Or DEC [21-Nov-24 12:22 PM] .urpalhal#0000 1 DEC is like 20k [21-Nov-24 12:23 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Or more [21-Nov-24 12:26 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Granted it does use PG as well [21-Nov-24 12:40 PM] jcheung#0000 That's like 3k in a VCB? [21-Nov-24 12:40 PM] jcheung#0000 60m ish? {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘€ [21-Nov-24 12:40 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Yeah [21-Nov-24 12:40 PM] jcheung#0000 Wonder if that would ever be entirely used [21-Nov-24 12:41 PM] .urpalhal#0000 ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ [21-Nov-24 12:41 PM] .urpalhal#0000 UPFs use a lot [21-Nov-24 07:12 PM] .urpalhal#0000 I finally built my base on Thalassa-b.... [21-Nov-24 07:13 PM] .urpalhal#0000 only established the CM 107 days ago {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ฌ kekw [21-Nov-24 07:13 PM] .urpalhal#0000 teehee {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† [25-Nov-24 09:10 AM] ibumcuckets#0000 Is there a calculator in Prunplanner to figure out what building a new ship costs or do I have to do that math manually? [25-Nov-24 09:11 AM] tanda#0000 Look at BLU [25-Nov-24 09:14 AM] ibumcuckets#0000 The blueprints buffer IG? I can only see the materials required as far as I can tell...? Was hoping there was a way to find the actual cost of the materials as well. [25-Nov-24 09:14 AM] ibumcuckets#0000 Without having to crawl through the exchange tabs ๐Ÿ˜… [25-Nov-24 09:23 AM] tanda#0000 Then you'll want to take a look over at the UFO server. There's a few shipbuilders there with offers. I recommend EvoV just because they've got ready made ships. The others have a rather substantial wait time [25-Nov-24 09:50 AM] sidepipe#0000 I recommend OOG for obvious reasons ๐Ÿ˜ [25-Nov-24 09:50 AM] sidepipe#0000 But Archiel might be out of stock right now [25-Nov-24 09:55 AM] archielvahr#0000 Actually I do have 6 to 8 in stock right now, I just hadn't advertised them yet since I still have a few ships worth of LHP heading to heph [25-Nov-24 09:55 AM] archielvahr#0000 At least half the time, my batch is sold before I publically announce them anyway... so if you want to jump in, let me know ๐Ÿ˜‰ [25-Nov-24 09:56 AM] laaxus#0000 I would **HEAVILY** recommend upgrading your starter ships to WCB first with Schaitr deal, if you haven't done so already {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [25-Nov-24 09:58 AM] laaxus#0000 a new ship is between 3.5 and 7 MILLIONS AIC. Schaitr upgrades both your ships for 620k AIC each [25-Nov-24 09:59 AM] archielvahr#0000 Yeah, the WCB upgrades are the best option since they don't require replacement of the bridge or crew quarters, which are the most expensive parts. [25-Nov-24 01:47 PM] .urpalhal#0000 @ibumcuckets **OR** the #psk-information project here in ADI to upgrade your ships. *little birdy told me soonish for the first kits to roll out* [25-Nov-24 01:58 PM] laaxus#0000 When is it going to be up and running ? [25-Nov-24 01:59 PM] igfloz#0000 I think they're waiting on me..... I just need a bit of time [25-Nov-24 01:59 PM] .urpalhal#0000 very soon [26-Nov-24 07:51 AM] roche3950#0000 got my corp name change approved, exciting ^^ {Reactions} โค๏ธ (3) [26-Nov-24 04:58 PM] earthforged#0000 how is tungsten produced? [26-Nov-24 04:58 PM] .urpalhal#0000 In an AML from BTS [26-Nov-24 04:58 PM] .urpalhal#0000 Very expensive [26-Nov-24 04:59 PM] earthforged#0000 thanks, now ill go try to figure out what that is lol [26-Nov-24 05:00 PM] .urpalhal#0000 In a buffer you can type MAT W and see how its produced [26-Nov-24 05:00 PM] earthforged#0000 oh thank you [26-Nov-24 05:00 PM] .urpalhal#0000 And what it is used in as well [26-Nov-24 05:00 PM] .urpalhal#0000 You can also click on the icons for BTS and AML to get more information about those [26-Nov-24 06:06 PM] earthforged#0000 well. i have 30k left to my name..about the starting money..but base is completely built..or at least in shipping...all supplies for a minimum of 7 days and ore to smelt a while {Reactions} ๐ŸŽ‰ [26-Nov-24 06:08 PM] jcheung#0000 Nice. Less reserve than i would have liked, but that's a good start [26-Nov-24 06:09 PM] earthforged#0000 yeah..the extra carbon to smelt with the ore pushed it up..but i have a lot of ore to turn [26-Nov-24 06:09 PM] earthforged#0000 ill build up a reserve before i move ahead [26-Nov-24 06:11 PM] earthforged#0000 plus it went higher because i bought all the building supplies off market [26-Nov-24 06:12 PM] archielvahr#0000 I feel like 7 days is solid for a new player [26-Nov-24 06:12 PM] jvaler#0000 7 days is great for a new player, i used to consistently run on half that [26-Nov-24 06:14 PM] archielvahr#0000 Now for maximum efficiency I run "just in time" [26-Nov-24 06:14 PM] archielvahr#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1311122848844218428/image.png?ex=6814b70e&is=6813658e&hm=93f54ec479b70c9d9f3239fb79f821ac70fb810bbd3b3614f0752e20ee61058b& {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜ฎ [26-Nov-24 06:14 PM] archielvahr#0000 Or... "not quite in time" [26-Nov-24 06:14 PM] archielvahr#0000 nah those are all funny numbers, my bases are fine [26-Nov-24 06:14 PM] astra1414#0000 if your buffers aren't all over the place at different days remaining you aren't doing it right [26-Nov-24 06:26 PM] sidepipe#0000 Not Quite In Time Logistics would be a great company name if I ever restarted ๐Ÿ˜„ {Reactions} ๐Ÿ˜† [26-Nov-24 10:56 PM] jcheung#0000 How about Not Yet QUite In-time Logistics [26-Nov-24 11:18 PM] astra1414#0000 not in time logistics works perfectly for the company i work for [26-Nov-24 11:18 PM] astra1414#0000 no way it wouldn't translate well into prun [27-Nov-24 08:38 AM] roche3950#0000 had some questions about shipbuilding โ€ฆ I suppose every major shipbuilding player/organization is basically fully integrated at this point [27-Nov-24 08:38 AM] roche3950#0000 largely bc they had to in the beginning [27-Nov-24 08:43 AM] roche3950#0000 contemplating what future bases might look like, but if supplying materials to shipbuilders isnโ€™t really meaningful then iโ€™ll look into something different [27-Nov-24 08:48 AM] jcheung#0000 I think metals would be useful for that [27-Nov-24 08:52 AM] roche3950#0000 Iโ€™ve sort of decided my win condition for now is scale production of SDRs. Iโ€™ve also looked into other stuff, and figured if I could be a supplier of TI/BE/TA, it could help others. [27-Nov-24 08:57 AM] laaxus#0000 IMO, the best way to help others is to produce something in high demand {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘† [27-Nov-24 09:04 AM] roche3950#0000 Iโ€™ve been hearing about pressure in a couple of markets, yes [27-Nov-24 09:04 AM] roche3950#0000 the Thing is figuring out what that is โ€” and thatโ€™s a question humans have only been trying to solve for 12,000 years ๐Ÿ˜„ [27-Nov-24 09:18 AM] realharvey#0000 Carbon is always in demand [27-Nov-24 09:24 AM] roche3950#0000 I was thinking about focusing on the medical-themed consumables (hence the ticker change, lol). [27-Nov-24 09:24 AM] roche3950#0000 MED, VG, SC, NST [27-Nov-24 09:24 AM] roche3950#0000 etc [27-Nov-24 09:30 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 hmm mixed, retail, end-use, high tier commodities. That might work, but you might want to consider what sort of margins you want, instead of just selling direct to market. Those LUX goodies feed the TEC+ tiers, but of course, only those who run those higher processes "might, or might not" need them. Price points are a big thing. Dropping internal market ads here, or elsewhere, will also increase your visibility to any potential buyers. [27-Nov-24 09:37 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Super niche too. Lots of hybrid base potential. I think that its something of a mix between a farmer/victualier on Promitor, and a chemical engineer on Griffinstone, at least on the industry mix. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1311355294294474852/Screenshot_from_2024-11-27_09-31-16.png?ex=6814e6c9&is=68139549&hm=844c4fd4a8314d62de439068a83d73509a8eeb8db27a414b982583b9c088a4b1& [27-Nov-24 09:42 AM] roche3950#0000 Funnily enough, change Promitor with Harmonia and youโ€™re describing my active base mix pretty well ๐Ÿ™‚ [27-Nov-24 09:51 AM] roche3950#0000 btw, are these ADVs on the different consumables? cool stuff, maybe the app being used was discussed but curious what it is :) just FIO? [27-Nov-24 09:52 AM] tanda#0000 Those look like the graphs off the economic report. [27-Nov-24 09:57 AM] roche3950#0000 Ah, neat ๐Ÿ™‚ [27-Nov-24 09:57 AM] roche3950#0000 ~~Iโ€™m still very new to the tools outside of the game client itself. That is to say, I can see a cool chart but I canโ€™t get it for myself.~~ Those are production per day charts, I think, not ADV. Duly noted :ablobsalute: [28-Nov-24 04:24 PM] earthforged#0000 how do i explore..like see planets in a system and such? [28-Nov-24 04:25 PM] tanda#0000 I recommend Taiyi's map https://universemap.duckdns.org/ {Embed} https://universemap.duckdns.org/ Taiyi's Prosperous Universe Map Taiyi's Prosperous Universe Map - An interactive map for the Prosperous Universe game [28-Nov-24 04:25 PM] tanda#0000 There's a galaxy map `MU` in the game, but it's kinda clumsy to use and searchability is terrible [28-Nov-24 04:25 PM] tanda#0000 What are you looking for? [28-Nov-24 04:30 PM] earthforged#0000 not sure yet. i occasionaly get contacts with exploration, and i need to start prospecting what im going to do with base number 2 [28-Nov-24 04:42 PM] earthforged#0000 do many planets have HQs for the bonuses? is that something that can be player built? [28-Nov-24 04:43 PM] astra1414#0000 you mean corp HQs? [28-Nov-24 04:45 PM] earthforged#0000 yes, i rekon so..like Deimos its electronics [28-Nov-24 04:46 PM] astra1414#0000 oh you mean cogc? [28-Nov-24 04:46 PM] astra1414#0000 hqs are a different thing entirely [28-Nov-24 04:47 PM] earthforged#0000 is the cogc bonus per planet/ [28-Nov-24 04:47 PM] astra1414#0000 per planet based on what the people have voted for [28-Nov-24 04:47 PM] earthforged#0000 wait..im confuserd i think [28-Nov-24 04:47 PM] earthforged#0000 let me go look [28-Nov-24 04:48 PM] tanda#0000 a COGC is a constructed per planet building that provides a democratically decided production bonus to that planet. On Deimos, this is Metallurgy [28-Nov-24 04:48 PM] earthforged#0000 no, on Deimos, as you upgrade your HQ the electronics bonus gets higher [28-Nov-24 04:48 PM] tanda#0000 ah, that would be your Company HQ bonus [28-Nov-24 04:48 PM] earthforged#0000 so each player would only have one hq i assume [28-Nov-24 04:48 PM] tanda#0000 That's decided by region of space your Company HQ is based in. [28-Nov-24 04:49 PM] tanda#0000 https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/headquarters/index.html#faction-bonuses {Embed} https://handbook.apex.prosperousuniverse.com/wiki/headquarters/index.html Headquarters :: Prosperous Universe Handbook Prosperous Universe Wiki [28-Nov-24 04:49 PM] earthforged#0000 how do you see if a planet has a cogc [28-Nov-24 04:49 PM] earthforged#0000 im trying to see whats around me to start figuring base number 2 [28-Nov-24 04:50 PM] tanda#0000 it's something you can search for in Taiyi's map, and it will highlight all planets with a given COGC [28-Nov-24 04:50 PM] earthforged#0000 oh ok, thanks [28-Nov-24 04:50 PM] tanda#0000 if you're browsing around with MU, you can find that via a given planets PLI screen [28-Nov-24 04:52 PM] earthforged#0000 does my hq bonus apply to all bases or just the one with the hq? [28-Nov-24 04:52 PM] tanda#0000 yours applies to all bases you own [28-Nov-24 04:52 PM] earthforged#0000 cool [28-Nov-24 04:53 PM] earthforged#0000 thanks [28-Nov-24 04:53 PM] earthforged#0000 im assuming i dont want to settle on a planet without population infrastructure [28-Nov-24 04:54 PM] tanda#0000 you really don't want to settle on any planet that's not triple green or already heavily established for your first 4 bases [28-Nov-24 04:54 PM] earthforged#0000 ok, ill try to make this my last question for now lol. should my second base bve same system or am i ok any jumps away? [28-Nov-24 04:55 PM] tanda#0000 FTL travel isn't really that much more expensive, a couple jumps away is fine [28-Nov-24 04:55 PM] earthforged#0000 thank you. probably looking for a planet that has more than 1 thing to mine or harvest [28-Nov-24 04:56 PM] earthforged#0000 so looking at planets for the first time [28-Nov-24 04:56 PM] tanda#0000 The most common first/second expansions for new players in this area are to Harmonia and Nascent for Carbon production and to Nike for construction expansion (AL into BBH/BSE) [28-Nov-24 04:57 PM] earthforged#0000 the electronics bonus is really high for HQ, i need to find a path that uses that [28-Nov-24 04:58 PM] tanda#0000 Electronics is a bit difficult to take advantage of early on, the processes are long and involved and expensive [28-Nov-24 04:59 PM] earthforged#0000 i feel that, but the road to it needs to be planned i would feel [28-Nov-24 05:01 PM] tanda#0000 That's fair. There's some tools on PRUN planner that can help you explore recipes by industry and building [28-Nov-24 05:01 PM] tanda#0000 https://prunplanner.org/tools/roi {Embed} https://prunplanner.org/tools/roi PRUNplanner Prosperous Universe Empire and Base Planning tool. Plan your empire and projects, dominate the markets. [29-Nov-24 08:47 AM] roche3950#0000 interesting how many of the stronger mining worlds need HSEโ€ฆ [29-Nov-24 08:48 AM] laaxus#0000 no, it's inevitable [29-Nov-24 08:48 AM] laaxus#0000 if mining mineral A was easy and cheap, the margin becomes thinner [29-Nov-24 08:56 AM] roche3950#0000 thatโ€™s fair [29-Nov-24 08:56 AM] roche3950#0000 itโ€™s just a neat fact of life, thatโ€™s all ๐Ÿ™‚ not particularly annoyed about it [29-Nov-24 12:13 PM] iwooden#0000 Dumb question: what's "Equity" in the financial overview screen measure/correspond to? I know the difference in IRL accounting, but dunno what it means in-game [29-Nov-24 12:15 PM] laaxus#0000 (buildings - repair cost) + (money - debt) + ( buy orders - ask orders) + materials [29-Nov-24 12:17 PM] iwooden#0000 Thanks, does it update on a slower cadence than the other numbers there (fixed assets/revenue etc.)? [29-Nov-24 12:18 PM] laaxus#0000 Once per day if you use pmmg or refined pmmg [01-Dec-24 03:54 PM] finestone#0000 @razesdark I am good on pop on KI401b thanks [01-Dec-24 03:55 PM] razesdark#0000 ๐Ÿ‘ [02-Dec-24 07:29 PM] tanda#0000 Everytime I go looking and find a nice looking planet in the KI cluster [02-Dec-24 07:29 PM] tanda#0000 There Melon is [04-Dec-24 02:06 AM] finestone#0000 Goods heading to market feels good ๐Ÿ™‚ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1313778355233095781/image.png?ex=68147cf0&is=68132b70&hm=ec4201b2d66fc49bcf383f95f659bb4f3a9fd9eca8c9809517fd03a302ea43f8& [04-Dec-24 02:29 AM] realharvey#0000 do you produce all of this at one base? [04-Dec-24 03:58 AM] finestone#0000 2 bases [07-Dec-24 05:32 AM] finestone#0000 I have updated my internal Offerings page, please take a look everyone! [07-Dec-24 05:33 AM] finestone#0000 @tanda @akyantor I have sent some cons out let me know if there are any issues. [13-Dec-24 06:09 AM] evov#0000 I've been thinking about the concept of warfare, or regional conflict within Prun lately. What it means, what it might look like etc. At it's core - I think I'd sum it up by - "The ability of the players from one region, to negatively impact the players of another region" Central to this idea is "negative impact". What things make a region better vs worse? I think there's a number of things that are fairly clearly in the (Advantage) column. Robust and active markets, well developed planets with a good variety of cogc's in the region, active community etc. Some things however, I'm not 100% sure what's better. For example, CX market prices. If ANT CX prices were the most expensive of all the CX's - would people view this as good or bad? If ANT CX prices were the cheapest of all the CX's - would people view this as good or bad? Currency inflation - Is it beneficial for the ANT region if we have more AIC printed, or would that be a negative? Same thing for the destruction of currency (e.g. buying BFabs ) - is it a benefit to the region if we buy Bfabs from the MM in ANT, or from a different region destroying their currency? Just to constrain the scope of the discussion, I'm looking for points of view on these two items - 1. CX Prices - What's better, higher ANT CX prices, or lower ANT CX prices? 2. Inflation - What's better, more AIC in circulation, or less? [13-Dec-24 06:14 AM] laaxus#0000 oh man, let me write an essay on 1) [13-Dec-24 07:43 AM] cptboby#0000 Can't wait to read that. [13-Dec-24 09:12 AM] finestone#0000 Volume and availability is all I really care about. The price should always work itself out. As far as currency creation deletion it is hard to say. Would have to look at the inflation data which we dont see. [13-Dec-24 10:05 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 1) CX ASK/BID prices don't matter... Daily traded volumes, and CX buffer inventories do (like how much volume is listed for sale, or for bid, before the market dries out on non-MM supplied goodies). You'll get a better indication of how well your regional economy is performing, and exchanging value through goods/currency. 2) AIC in circulation doesn't matter. What does is more even-distribution of said monies, so that more people can engage in the HQ upgrades, ship building/purchases, more bases, to bring in more stock to market. -- Or in other words, when you're regional CX runs out of given fab materials for your upgrades/repairs/production inputs, your internal metrics go out of whack if you cannot produce/obtain them locally. [13-Dec-24 10:09 AM] laaxus#0000 First draft, I have a family gathering today, so I haven't finished it, but I wanted to release something today while the topic is fresh {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1317161444290068480/essay.md?ex=6814ee2f&is=68139caf&hm=1ec57688b07be6d0ef2acf6ba413a074b33b18e9c3db72b2928090822db813e5& [13-Dec-24 10:09 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 It's a tricky thing.. Most players, on any rate of profit/expansion, usually tend to build bases all over the place, and not just within ANT or HRT, not to mention that they can also export their production to any market of their choosing... And we don't really have that many players capable of doing that... I'm guessing around ~1,600 players have some form of PRO/BASIC (based on UFO members last time I checked). Hardcore micromanagement is also involved in those potential schemes. [13-Dec-24 10:09 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 ๐Ÿ˜ฎ what is this utility? [13-Dec-24 10:32 AM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Discord auto-formats manuscript-doc uploads? Nice. Per Laaxus, do IDC bases actually keep prices high, with markets calculating in potential commodity/currency metrics through time, or is price volatility/inflation more dependent on player activity on commodities being traded? [13-Dec-24 02:33 PM] evov#0000 I agree with this. I think that Price stability + Product availability are what matters. So in any kind of "economic war" with other regions - the overarching direction should be... where possible/practical - 1. Bring goods/materials from other CX's into the ANT CX. 2. Create AIC, destroy other currencies if needed (since more AIC in circulation = higher capacity of CX buy orders = Better price stability / availability on the market ) {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [13-Dec-24 02:37 PM] laaxus#0000 I believe we should use IDC bases to make strategical reserves of input goods [13-Dec-24 02:37 PM] evov#0000 I think, it makes sense to break down goods into 2 groups. 1. Consumes / Construction materials 2. Everything else. I think having cheaper consumes/repairs in a region, while everything else is more expensive - is a net win for the region as a whole. {Reactions} ๐Ÿ‘ [13-Dec-24 02:38 PM] laaxus#0000 However, having higher price, means that a part of the production is probably not local [13-Dec-24 02:39 PM] laaxus#0000 and therefore, more vulnerable in a war [13-Dec-24 02:39 PM] laaxus#0000 conversely, CX with low prices probably export, meaning less profit and exports but higher resilience [13-Dec-24 02:43 PM] jcheung#0000 Hmm. I don't know if currency destruction will really do much [13-Dec-24 02:43 PM] jcheung#0000 The purchasing power per unit of money is still going to be right about the same [13-Dec-24 02:44 PM] jcheung#0000 Mostly due to people being lazy [13-Dec-24 03:03 PM] scintillating_iridescence#0000 Mmm.. Regarding currency destruction... It's a "hearts and minds" sort of thing. I'm pretty sure everyone has noticed the UFO #deals, regarding permit allocation plans/loans/deals.. This sort of thing has been going on for ~2+ years or so, and it's largely dictating the public/private production distributions evidenced throughout Prun, but due to API/LEAD limitations, no one has any exact data on it all.... If you'd like less AIC to be destroyed, then fund SF/FF/B-fab production in house... If not.. Well then currency creation is outpacing currency destruction anyways. The intermediate solution is to attract more business to ANT CX, by whatever means necessary, in the long-term.. I'm thus agreeing on several key points that y'all have made thus far. [16-Dec-24 05:46 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Sooo, whatโ€™s the best way for one to get a IDC baseโ€ฆ asking for a friend [16-Dec-24 06:03 AM] laaxus#0000 Allocater deal on UFO [16-Dec-24 06:03 AM] laaxus#0000 Hands down {Reactions} ๐Ÿ’ฏ [16-Dec-24 06:28 AM] jcheung#0000 well [16-Dec-24 06:28 AM] jcheung#0000 i wouldn't say hands down [16-Dec-24 06:29 AM] jcheung#0000 if you were to take out a cash loan and look for deals you could probably get the materials for cheaper, but then you have to worry about paying the loan back in cash rather than goods [16-Dec-24 06:51 AM] laaxus#0000 Allocater deal truly make things easier [16-Dec-24 11:11 PM] superbadsounds#0000 I have no regrets on the allocater deal. It was probably the best early game decision I made. [17-Dec-24 01:30 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Are you shipping your IDC yourself, or are you selling it on the LM? [17-Dec-24 01:30 PM] pxlfox.#0000 How long did it take to get the popr filled? [17-Dec-24 01:31 PM] laaxus#0000 I'm selling it to allocater directly whenever I want [17-Dec-24 01:31 PM] laaxus#0000 I just send him a cont, he usually close and pay within the day [17-Dec-24 01:32 PM] laaxus#0000 One week iirc, maybe 2 [17-Dec-24 01:33 PM] pxlfox.#0000 and you pay the loan every 7 days... so the base is probably not able to pay itself in the first 1-2 weeks [17-Dec-24 01:33 PM] pxlfox.#0000 (which is fine, just something to keep in mind, I guess) [17-Dec-24 01:33 PM] laaxus#0000 It does, the cont pay the first week [17-Dec-24 01:34 PM] pxlfox.#0000 oh really [17-Dec-24 01:34 PM] pxlfox.#0000 thats even better [17-Dec-24 01:34 PM] laaxus#0000 You receive 3 M as per the loan [17-Dec-24 01:34 PM] laaxus#0000 So the first week is free [17-Dec-24 01:34 PM] laaxus#0000 (however you pay 6M at the last step) [17-Dec-24 01:35 PM] laaxus#0000 You'll have to pay for a 50d package 7 weeks in, don't forget that [17-Dec-24 01:36 PM] pxlfox.#0000 aren't you getting 50d of consumables in the package? [17-Dec-24 01:37 PM] laaxus#0000 I couldn't pay for it right away, so he gave it to me, allowing me to pay the package within 30 days at no cost (I paid it within a week) You might not get the exact same deal but it proves he's flexible [17-Dec-24 01:37 PM] laaxus#0000 You do [17-Dec-24 01:37 PM] laaxus#0000 But the Loan is 10 weeks, and 50d is 7 [17-Dec-24 01:37 PM] pxlfox.#0000 ah, ok [17-Dec-24 01:40 PM] pxlfox.#0000 well, if I can believe PP, an IDC farm alone puts out the same daily profit as all my other bases combined ๐Ÿ˜… [17-Dec-24 01:40 PM] laaxus#0000 Don't forget to add the corp bonus if you don't have a corp already [17-Dec-24 01:40 PM] pxlfox.#0000 just for the measly price of selling your soul for mere 50 days [17-Dec-24 01:41 PM] laaxus#0000 There's a corp for malahat [17-Dec-24 01:41 PM] pxlfox.#0000 does the company HQ not add some bonus, too? [17-Dec-24 01:41 PM] laaxus#0000 Yes, faction bonus [17-Dec-24 01:41 PM] laaxus#0000 But pp takes Care of that automatically [17-Dec-24 01:42 PM] pxlfox.#0000 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183249320665956372/1318664591634599936/image.png?ex=6814775a&is=681325da&hm=09bcf9363ee36871c400823f095b828d6616dd251df138c254fbe2efaaf159f4& [17-Dec-24 01:42 PM] laaxus#0000 XD that's many free permit [17-Dec-24 01:43 PM] pxlfox.#0000 me? [17-Dec-24 01:43 PM] laaxus#0000 Yes [17-Dec-24 01:44 PM] laaxus#0000 Or maybe not many [17-Dec-24 01:44 PM] laaxus#0000 I honestly forgot the math [17-Dec-24 01:44 PM] laaxus#0000 But I know I have 12%, something like that ? [17-Dec-24 01:44 PM] pxlfox.#0000 So the bonus is higher the more free permits I have? [17-Dec-24 01:44 PM] pxlfox.#0000 weird [17-Dec-24 01:45 PM] laaxus#0000 Anyway, what matter is, with faction and corp bonus, you'll get a healthy weekly profit even if the Loan is still not paid yet [17-Dec-24 01:45 PM] laaxus#0000 No, not weird. It's described in the handbook if you're interested [17-Dec-24 02:07 PM] evov#0000 IDC = Great $ per permit. Not great $ per $ invested though. I think when I built my IDC bases (I have 2) it cost 32mil each for the base + 90 days of consumables. People with a low permit count could build a LOT of bases/productive capacity with 64mil instead of 2 IDC bases. [17-Dec-24 02:24 PM] laaxus#0000 This is true [17-Dec-24 02:24 PM] laaxus#0000 But it doesn't matter as the allocater deal doesn't stop you from taking Loans from lowstrife [17-Dec-24 02:25 PM] laaxus#0000 So technically, there's no downside only benefits [19-Dec-24 01:26 AM] pxlfox.#0000 But where are we gonna gossip about Benten, when this channel is deleted ? ๐Ÿ˜ฎ [19-Dec-24 01:27 AM] pxlfox.#0000 On that note - know I have to collect dirty CIS to pay for production fees -.- [19-Dec-24 07:13 AM] sidepipe#0000 I usually have CIS from government payouts on Malahat (I make the MHP for the planet) - happy to trade 1:1 for AIC ๐Ÿ™‚ [19-Dec-24 07:19 AM] pxlfox.#0000 Thank you โ˜บ๏ธ I already found one to trade and now and will probably just sell some IDC for CIS, so I always have some for the production fees [19-Dec-24 05:49 PM] optimizedfunction#0000 :eyes_sus: [19-Dec-24 05:55 PM] tanda#0000 Certainly not somewhere Benten can hear us [19-Dec-24 08:18 PM] jcheung#0000 Don't worry about north antares [19-Dec-24 11:16 PM] pxlfox.#0000 Petition for an โ€œAntares-onlyโ€ channel :antares_initiative: {Reactions} ๐Ÿซก ============================================================== Exported 3,481 message(s) ==============================================================